Summer Prospect Ranking Poll Round 22

[JurassicTunga12]

Culkin

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Is this the reason that some are voting Hanowski, because he played 5 games? If you ask me he looked lost and his skating has a lot of work to be done. Him getting more than some "after deadline playing time" over the next couple of years will be hard for him to get. I pretty much saw Nemisz 2.0

At least that was my impression of Hanowski. I also think people are praying that he turns out because he was part of the Iggy trade.

Whether you liked his performance or not, he's far closer to playing for the Flames than any other player still on the list. Most of them will be lucky to get 5 NHL games. I don't think anyone is praying that he turns out, he's just the best option left on the list.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Kulak. He showed some flashes that he can be this organizations next Brodie at the end of last season.

(Disclaimer: it's more or less a toss up between Kulak and Culkin, but I've never seen Culkin play, so I voted for Kulak).

Kulak yet again for me (for about the 7th time!); looks like I'll be voting for him for the next several rounds.

[MissTeeks]

Kanzig is taking questions on the Royals twitter right now, if anyone wanted to ask him anything.

https://twitter.com/victoriaroyals

[#-3]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Is this the reason that some are voting Hanowski, because he played 5 games? If you ask me he looked lost and his skating has a lot of work to be done. Him getting more than some "after deadline playing time" over the next couple of years will be hard for him to get. I pretty much saw Nemisz 2.0

At least that was my impression of Hanowski. I also think people are praying that he turns out because he was part of the Iggy trade.

I went Hanowski,

Kanzig and Neimsz will be the only other players that I would vote for.
Then I will stop voting.

For the other 16 guys, I don't know them well but I would be shoked if more than 4 of them end up as NHLers in the long run, so that is about a 25% chance at best. And I can't say who is the best out of that group.

I have watched Hanowski and Neimsz play, Hanowskis skating was much better this summer, and I think either them could develope into bottom 6 NHLers over the next two seasons. Its probabyl less then a 50% chance for either of them. But still better odds then I give the rest of the feild, as a group.

Kanzig I would vote for because he was just noticable in a good way, durring that prospect game. And I think he just stands out amongst the rest of the feild.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

People are seriously voting for Kanzig over Culkin? Or even over Hanowski who actually didn't look terribly out of place in an NHL game?

Guys...come on.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Is this the reason that some are voting Hanowski, because he played 5 games? If you ask me he looked lost and his skating has a lot of work to be done. Him getting more than some "after deadline playing time" over the next couple of years will be hard for him to get. I pretty much saw Nemisz 2.0

At least that was my impression of Hanowski. I also think people are praying that he turns out because he was part of the Iggy trade.

I am sure that is the reason some are voting for him. For the simple fact that they saw him play and know who he is. Not everyone follows the prospects that closely. It is probably why players like Kulak and Culkin aren't getting any love. They are better prospects, but they aren't front of mind right now so many casual fans don't know enough to vote for them. (I don't mean that as an insult. Some just spend more time following prospects then others).

I still have Hanowski pretty high up on my list though. I have Culkin, Kulak, Ferland, Ortio, and Byron (why isn't he on the list) ahead of him. But I still have him ahead of decent prospects like Kanzig. He is a power forward with a lot of energy and potentially some offensive upside. He is also a RW. Those types of players are hard to find.

Any prospect being ranked in the mid 20's is a long shot. I agree his skating needs work. But it isn't like he is being ranked in the top 10. If he can fix his skating (very possible) he has a great skill set.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by zuluking

For some of these guys, I had to go read up on them as prospects. And I think I must be missing something, because out of the leading 4 vote-getters, Hanowski and Ferland seem to have the most upside. And Kanzig is the longest shot (and nothing indicates that if he pans out that he'll be anything other than large and intimidating.)

Maybe someone can do some 'splainin'.

For the record, I voted Ferland.

I disagree, a bunch of places ranked him as a 3rd rounder. The ISS reports his skating as average and that he has good hockey sense. He has already proven that he is dedicated and can show up to camp in shape (something Ferland is questioned on). I agree Ferland is a type of player that is hard to get, but he isn't even close to achieving that. He has a long way to go and IMO he is the longest shot to develop into an NHLer.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

People are seriously voting for Kanzig over Culkin? Or even over Hanowski who actually didn't look terribly out of place in an NHL game?

Guys...come on.

I didn't think he really looked like an NHLer. He was to hesitant and behind on some plays. I think he still has a lot to learn.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I disagree, a bunch of places ranked him as a 3rd rounder. The ISS reports his skating as average and that he has good hockey sense. He has already proven that he is dedicated and can show up to camp in shape (something Ferland is questioned on). I agree Ferland is a type of player that is hard to get, but he isn't even close to achieving that. He has a long way to go and IMO he is the longest shot to develop into an NHLer.

You're thinking of Howse. I'm not sure conditioning was Ferland's problem. More like his thinking process during the game.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I didn't think he really looked like an NHLer. He was to hesitant and behind on some plays. I think he still has a lot to learn.

He jumped straight from the college level to the NHL without a stop in the AHL for any training for the pro game. Looked just fine to me considering.

When you compare him to Nemisz who was in high level junior, international junior tournaments, and the AHL for a couple years, he looked better than him already.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I disagree, a bunch of places ranked him as a 3rd rounder. The ISS reports his skating as average and that he has good hockey sense. He has already proven that he is dedicated and can show up to camp in shape (something Ferland is questioned on). I agree Ferland is a type of player that is hard to get, but he isn't even close to achieving that. He has a long way to go and IMO he is the longest shot to develop into an NHLer.

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

You're thinking of Howse. I'm not sure conditioning was Ferland's problem. More like his thinking process during the game.

No, he had conditioning issues. Sounds like it was more of a maturity thing though. He is apparently in great shape this summer.

Both Kanzig and Ferland are long shots for the NHL. But Ferland is a very tough power forward with great hockey sense and some offensive ability. He is also closer to the NHL IMO.

Kanzig looks like a bottom pairing D if he makes the dance. It is always possible he exceeds that projection. But right now Ferland has the higher ceiling and the higher likelihood of making the NHL. IMO.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

You're thinking of Howse. I'm not sure conditioning was Ferland's problem. More like his thinking process during the game.

He did to. He came to camp out of shape and played just a handful of games (was a healthy scratch a number of times) between the AHL and ECHL before being sent back to the WHL around christmas.

I remember it being talked about on the radio. I am 100% it was Ferland, I will see if I can find the link.

[MissTeeks]

I posted this in the Round 21 thread this morning, this was what Feaster had to say about Ferland this week:

@ToriePeterson: Earlier this week, #Flames GM Jay Feaster told @Sportsnet960 prospect Michael Ferland doesn't know how good he can be.

@ToriePeterson: "We're trying to do everything we can to accelerate when that lightbulb goes off for him ...we think he's going to be one heck of a player."

[moon]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

People are seriously voting for Kanzig over Culkin? Or even over Hanowski who actually didn't look terribly out of place in an NHL game?

Guys...come on.

At this point (and likely sooner) I am not really sure anyone can post rolly eyes or have any real indignation about who people vote for. We are talking about guys that are extreme long shots to play a full NHL season and who likely have upsides of AHL vets.

As for Hanowski himself I would say he clearly looked out of place in the NHL. He may take huge steps forward and improve but if we are using the 5 game NHL stint (which we shouldn't use alone) as a judge he is nowhere close to NHL ready.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I disagree, a bunch of places ranked him as a 3rd rounder. The ISS reports his skating as average and that he has good hockey sense. He has already proven that he is dedicated and can show up to camp in shape (something Ferland is questioned on). I agree Ferland is a type of player that is hard to get, but he isn't even close to achieving that. He has a long way to go and IMO he is the longest shot to develop into an NHLer.

A third rounder has a bout a 12% chance to make a career in the NHL. The thing about Hanowski is he's already gotten his feet wet, so he has some proven capabilities which puts him ahead of the rest of the list.

By the way just because I voted for Hanowski doesn't mean I don't have a good grasp of our prospects and their talents. I'm aware of every player posted in this thread and their good and bad points.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

A third rounder has a bout a 12% chance to make a career in the NHL. The thing about Hanowski is he's already gotten his feet wet, so he has some proven capabilities which puts him ahead of the rest of the list.

By the way just because I voted for Hanowski doesn't mean I don't have a good grasp of our prospects and their talents. I'm aware of every player posted in this thread and their good and bad points.

I get that. I just think with four years of development kanzig will be better.

[dammage79]

Went with Culkin. There is something very Al MacInnis-y about him. Except the atom bomb slapshot. If he had that, we wouldn't be voting for him in the 20's

[Stormchaser]

Not much love for Harrison eh! I think he will turn out to be the guy everyone hates to play against.

[thymebalm]

seiloff. doh.