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Old 08-05-2013, 05:13 PM   #21
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I can't find it at the moment but more recent investigations indicate that the Burmese Python scourge in the Everglades wasn't caused by negligent snake owners but rather it was a snake research facility that was destroyed by a hurricane and as a result some of the snakes escaped.

I agree that something isn't right with this story. Snakes don't generally kill and try to eat people, especially two in the same night. They usually only kill to eat. I don't want to speculate too much since this is a tragic event but it wouldn't surprise me if the snake coiled around the boys for warmth and ended up killing them. A similar thing happened a few years ago, although, in that case they also found a bite mark on the child which was more likely a predatory behaviour. Also, that was a Rock Python IIRC which are more temperamental.
We don't know enough here to really know what happened but I am very curious if the boys were sleeping lying beside eachother or in seperate beds. Also how did neither boy wake up? If they were lying down sleeping how did a big snake gets it body under them without waking them up? I just see too many red flags here. Rock pythons are almost always agressive and I never recommend anyone keep one of those. The autopsy should give more answers, it just seems weird. Can't say I am impressed by the the statement given by the RCMP constable either, I think she is jumping to a conclusion far too early in the investigation by saying she believes the boys were strangled by the snake. I bet she doesn't know jack crap about snakes. At any rate I would have given the facts about the snake being present to the media but would have made it clear that the investigation into the cause of death is still ongoing. If I was her super I would probably tear her a new one for making that statement.
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These snakes are huge. A child would be no trouble by the looks of things.
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Old 08-05-2013, 05:29 PM   #23
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Wouldn't there be snake skin left all over the boys bodies from if and when the snake strangled them to death? Not saying there would be a ton as if it shed that instant, but it would leave some sort of physical evidence behind you would expect.
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I also think something sounds way too fishy here. This behaviour is highly unusual for a snake.

I had a pet snake as a kid, and it isn't like them to not eat what they kill.

Something does not sound right.

Horrible, horrible tragedy for these kids and their families.
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These snakes are huge. A child would be no trouble by the looks of things.
Oh there is no doubt that breed can take out a kid. However unless the kid threatened the snake or it was on the verge of starvation even a snake that big will not focus on a child as a food source. If the kid approached it the snake would strike a defensive bite. I could possibly even see a toddler but these kids were five and seven. The python in the incident was also not as large as the one in your video. So either we are to believe child one approaches snake, snake bites on and wraps child squeezing him to death and child 2 makes no sound but waits until the snake releases child one and then does the same thing his brother did and dies the same way? Or we are to believe the snake somehow wraps himself around a sleeping child without awakening him ( I would say not possible) crushes him without him making a sound (again highly unlikely) and then after killing the kid for fun because it did not try and eat him (again not realistic) and then does the same with his brother? This story is really full of holes man.
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Old 08-05-2013, 05:36 PM   #26
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Also how did neither boy wake up? If they were lying down sleeping how did a big snake gets it body under them without waking them up?
I have no idea about snakes behaviour and whether the snake killed the kids or not but I do know with at least 3 of my kids the snake could easily get under them without waking them up at all. To me that is not really odd at all.
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Haha. That's exactly the guy I picture dissentowner as.
lmao, I have short hair and would never let a huge snake like that roam around my place.
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Old 08-05-2013, 05:38 PM   #28
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I have no idea about snakes behaviour and whether the snake killed the kids or not but I do know with at least 3 of my kids the snake could easily get under them without waking them up at all. To me that is not really odd at all.
Really? Your kids must sleep like the dead for a large snake to be able to force its body under them without them waking up. I suppose it is possible but really not in a snakes nature. If it was just one kid here I could see it as a possibility, but two?
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Moon has kids? Mind=Blown.
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Moon has kids? Mind=Blown.
They are half moons.
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Some info on the snake in question, courtesy Wikipedia

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The African rock python kills its prey by constriction and often eats animals up to the size of antelope, occasionally even crocodiles. The snake reproduces by egg-laying. Unlike most snakes, the female will protect her nest and sometimes even her hatchlings.

The snake is widely feared even though it only very rarely kills humans. Although the snake is not endangered, it does face threats from habitat reduction and hunting.

Weights are reportedly in the range of 44 to 55 kg (97 to 120 lb)...
Plenty of pics/vids of this snake swallowing entire antelope, so if this did happen I suppose we're fortunate to not be faced with the horrifying prospect of the snake having swallowed one of them.
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I also think something sounds way too fishy here. This behaviour is highly unusual for a snake.

I had a pet snake as a kid, and it isn't like them to not eat what they kill.

Something does not sound right.

Horrible, horrible tragedy for these kids and their families.
That's what I think too. If it was hungry enough I can see it possibly going after a child. But why would it kill both of them and not try to eat them. I know that sounds morbid but this doesn't make sense to me.
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:47 PM   #33
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I'm kind of sceptical myself, but I really don't know the nature of snakes too well.

For instance, after killing prey, does the rock python immediately set to eating it?

Also, were the kids maybe lying next to each other? that could explain how 2 were taken at once.

Maybe once the snake is coiled around a victim and begins to constrict, you can't let out a scream or any noise.

Lot's of questions to be answered for sure... pretty sad and twisted story though.
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Well I guess nobody should keep dogs either seeing as they kill way more people than snakes. You would be surprised how many responsible people are keeping big snakes in your neighborhood right now. If in fact the snake killed these two boys then it is a tragedy but something doesn't fit here. Snakes rarely attack people and do not see them as a food source. So this snake went through the ventilation system, strangled one boy to death in his sleep, and then proceeded to another boy? If I am those RCMP officers I am doing a very detailed investigation of this. It doesn't add up to me at all.
I don't really get what you think the alternative scenarios are? For one, I would think that wounds from snake constriction would be quite obvious even before an autopsy. So, are you saying the snake was planted to kill a couple little kids? Or the snake got loose, so someone took advantage of the situation to get rid of a couple little brats they couldn't wait to get rid of? I have hard time imagining what else it could be?
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Once killed, a snake will immediately take to eating its prey. It will only abandon the prey after a substantial amount of time because they prey is unsuitable (for example, the snake cant get its head around the horns of the male antelope). Snakes are also pretty good judges of size as well, and won't normally take prey that is too large for it to eat. I have only ever witnessed that once, when a baby snake took a normal sized goldfish, but that snake took hours trying to get that goldfish down. It isn't like it immediately went to the next fish.

Make no mistake, this is a tragedy, but there are some facts that just don't add up.
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I don't really get what you think the alternative scenarios are? For one, I would think that wounds from snake constriction would be quite obvious even before an autopsy. So, are you saying the snake was planted to kill a couple little kids? Or the snake got loose, so someone took advantage of the situation to get rid of a couple little brats they couldn't wait to get rid of? I have hard time imagining what else it could be?
Stranger things have happened. Knowing what I know about snakes, the facts in issue here, I actually would have an easier time believing that this was a homicide than a snake who individually strangled two children. Again, we don't have all the details but I have read homicide cases before that were pretty poor in the cover up and some pretty outrageous things. I am sure the autopsy will tell us more as well as when more details come out.
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Stranger things have happened. Knowing what I know about snakes, the facts in issue here, I actually would have an easier time believing that this was a homicide than a snake who individually strangled two children. Again, we don't have all the details but I have read homicide cases before that were pretty poor in the cover up and some pretty outrageous things. I am sure the autopsy will tell us more as well as when more details come out.
I am also having a hard time envisioning a motive for killing 5 and 7 year old boys staying over for a sleep over.
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I am also having a hard time envisioning a motive for killing 5 and 7 year old boys staying over for a sleep over.
I am also having a hard time envisioning a snake attacking two young kids and crushing them to death and it not being from a horror film. We don't know the details of anything. We don't know the relationship between the kids and the people they were staying with. Hopefully we will know what happened at a later date. Either way those two kids are unfortunately dead and that is sad.
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I am also having a hard time envisioning a motive for killing 5 and 7 year old boys staying over for a sleep over.
Sadly it probably happens more often than a snake killing two children.
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yeah, if they are lying, you'd like an autopsy is going to prove that 'yeah, these kids weren't crushed by a giant snake".

Seems like a ridiculous lie that would easily be disproven but who knows.
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