Revisiting 2009 draft - would you rather?

[$ven27]

Tavares.

[mrdonkey]

As long as we're re-writing history, I'd rather have given up the 2009 pick and kept the 2010 pick that ended up being Brandon Gormley.

Stupid Jokinen.

[Poe969]

we aren't re-writing history... If we were, the Jokinen trade wouldn't really even bother me. Trading up to take Kidd instead of Brodeur still haunts me that's why I try not to look back with "what if" in mind, it only causes heartbreak

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

How is this a small win for Feaster? He inherited a prospect that misled the team of his intentions and managed to get Horak and the picks that led to Granlund (45th) & Wotherspoon (57th) instend on a compensatory pick that would have been the 53rd.

This is a HUGE win for Feaster.

Feaster should have known he wasn't going to be able to sign Erixon.

[Huntingwhale]

This is the best trade of Feaster's time in Calgary, and has the potential to be a real building block for the team going forward.

3 possible NHL players > 1 ''blue chip'' prospect who stabbed the team in the back

No question, it's a huge win for the Flames.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Poe969

we aren't re-writing history... If we were, the Jokinen trade wouldn't really even bother me. Trading up to take Kidd instead of Brodeur still haunts me that's why I try not to look back with "what if" in mind, it only causes heartbreak

There should be a rule that nobody on CP is ever allowed to mention that trade ever again.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by FAN

Feaster should have known he wasn't going to be able to sign Erixon.

OK, this bugs me. Supposing he had known, what should he have done differently?

[hurtin_albertan]

Originally Posted by FAN

Feaster should have known he wasn't going to be able to sign Erixon.

That's total BS, how could he have possibly known that Erixon was going to bail? Fester entered the picture fairly late and so had no chance to gauge the temperature of the situation from the outset, and only when it came time to get the little puke signed did he start wavering based on lack of opportunity under previous management.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think Feaster did the best that he could in that situation. I thought the Rangers offer was generous considering the alternative for us.

Part of me wonders if Feaster did question whether the Rangers were tampering with Erixon and came to a fair trade in lieu of pressing the issue with the league.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Poe969

we aren't re-writing history... If we were, the Jokinen trade wouldn't really even bother me. Trading up to take Kidd instead of Brodeur still haunts me that's why I try not to look back with "what if" in mind, it only causes heartbreak

At least it wasn't like we traded up and then went off the board with Kidd. Kidd was consistantly ranked higher than Brodeur by many sources. No one was complaining about Kidd over Brodeur at the time the pick was made.

[puckluck2]

I like Tom Erixon. Thanks for a great return bud and I hope you enjoy playing for the Rangers.

[albertGQ]

Kidd was the best goalie prospect in years. It was a good pick at the time

[Plett25]

Re: Brodeur/Kidd

How many times have the careers of Oilers prospects (and Flames to be honest) been screwed up due to a crappy developmental system/rushing them to the NHL/mistreatment of injuries? It isn't just the player that determines his success, there is a huge effect by the whole organization around him.

Had Brodeur come to the Flames and Kidd to the Devils, Kidd might be on his way to the hall of fame and Brodeur might have topped out at journeyman backup goalie. Probably not, but who knows?

I guess the point is that if the Flames drafted Brodeur, he doesn't necessarily turn out to be a sure thing Hall of Famer and the Flames' goalie for 20 years

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Kidd was the best goalie prospect in years. It was a good pick at the time

Agreed that Kidd was ranked #1, but NJ obviously saw something that the Flames didn't -- otherwise they would taken Kidd at 11 instead of trading down to pick Brodeur at 20. In addition to #20, the Flames apparently had two early picks in the second round (#24 and #29), which could have been used to pick Brodeur (who I believe was targeted as an early second rounder -- behind Kidd and Felix Potvin).

To add salt to the wound, the Flames also acquired the 26th pick in that draft, in the Joey Mullen trade to Pittsburgh. They selected Nicholas Perrault, who ended up going to Michigan State and never played a game in the NHL.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Agreed that Kidd was ranked #1, but NJ obviously saw something that the Flames didn't -- otherwise they would taken Kidd at 11 instead of trading down to pick Brodeur at 20. In addition to #20, the Flames apparently had two early picks in the second round (#24 and #29), which could have been used to pick Brodeur (who I believe was targeted as an early second rounder -- behind Kidd and Felix Potvin).

To add salt to the wound, the Flames also acquired the 26th pick in that draft, in the Joey Mullen trade to Pittsburgh. They selected Nicholas Perrault, who ended up going to Michigan State and never played a game in the NHL.

That could be true. Or Devils had Antoski, Dykuis, and Scott Allison all to be available at #20 but were all chosen so they were "stuck" with Brodeur.

[MarchHare]

Had Brodeur come to the Flames and Kidd to the Devils, Kidd might be on his way to the hall of fame and Brodeur might have topped out at journeyman backup goalie. Probably not, but who knows?

Interesting point...how much better would Kidd's stats have been if he played the majority of his career behind one of the best defensive teams ever?

[Cheerio]

I'd take Marcus Johansson if offered the choice to redo it. But if every team got a redraft it would look more like:

1. Tavares
2. Duchene
3. Ekman-Larsson
4. Kane
5. Hedman
6. O'Reilly
7. Schenn
8. Johansson
9. Kulikov
10. Leddy
11. Kruger
12. Kadri
13. Kassian
14. Cowen
15. Silfverberg
16. Moore
17. de Haan
18. Erixon
19. Kreider
20. Lehner
21. Paajarvi-Svensson
22. Clifford
We'd end up with a choice between Ellis, Rundblad, Schroeder, Caron, Smith, Foligno, and Knight and I would take the package of Wotherspoon, Horak & Granlund over any one of those guys.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

I'd take Marcus Johansson if offered the choice to redo it. But if every team got a redraft it would look more like:

1. Tavares
...
7. Schenn
...
12. Kadri

I know you need to take in account the teams they plays for, their linemates, the intangibles they bring, defensive play, character, etc. But Kadri outscored everyone but Tavares from his draft year this season. Small sample size, sure, and I know it's fun to hate on the Leafs but 44 points in 48 games isn't something to scoff at. Schenn put up close to half the points on a far worse team. I'd easily swap their positions.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Johansson, 10 times out of 10.

[Stay Golden]

What an odd topic if this was 2010 or beyond i could understand the reasoning of looking at a pick Feaster and company took but this was Sutter's mess not getting Erixon signed or have a better understanding in the interviewing process the player didn't want to go to Calgary.
Feaster did the best he could under such a small window to complete a trade and he made a pretty decent one all things considered. Horak and the picks, Granlund (45th) & Wotherspoon (57th).

Either one of those players Feaster picked could turn into a much better player than Erixon. It is spinning wheels to consider Jacob Josefson or Marcus Johansson since they were never part of the Flames plans.