[Rumour] Feaster only offering T.J. Brodie a one or two year deal.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by SebC

I don't like this trend. Long term deals could save us cap space when we'll actually need it.

Merit based contracts are still the way to go. Start handing out 8 year multi-million dollar contracts to players with 100 NHL games played like Brodie or a 24 year old forward with 60 points like Backlund, how would the Flames GM have any negotiation power when Baertschi, Monahan and friends are up for their contracts?

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by SebC

I don't like this trend. Long term deals could save us cap space when we'll actually need it.

Yeah, but, would a 4 year term at say 2.75-3 mill per be all that long term and a huge risk though really ? I hate these 7-8 year contracts as well but say 4 isn't all that heavy. I could see if the guy has an attitude problem, is injury prone or something but he's not. He just seems to get better.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by SebC

I don't like this trend. Long term deals could save us cap space when we'll actually need it.

It could also pose a problem like Luke Schenn, Myers, ect.

I rather pay him lots when we know he is worth lots, rather than give him a bunch of money only for him not to live up to it.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by getbak

It's 27 or 7 seasons. He'd still be an RFA at the end of a 3 year deal, a UFA at the end of any deal 4 years or longer.

Yeah you're right. I said as soon as you're over 26 you're an RFA, so 27. I thought T.J. was 24, not 23

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I doubt he would sign a 5 year deal at only $2.75 million. Think he gets a $2.25 on a short term deal as is. If he is giving up years he is going to want more money than $2.75 million.

I like what Feaster is doing, in keeping him on a short term contract. If he progresses the way we think he will, Feaster and ownership will have no problem ponying up the dough. Pay him big when he deserves it, not before.

Kind of interesting though, Karl Alzner is a good young D-man (24 years old) and just signed a 4 year, 2.8 per with the Caps. Although the two bring different things to the table, I think we may be over-valuing Brodie's worth at this very momment.

[Stupid]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Kind of interesting though, Karl Alzner is a good young D-man (24 years old) and just signed a 4 year, 2.8 per with the Caps. Although the two bring different things to the table, I think we may be over-valuing Brodie's worth at this very momment.

Caps are not rebuilding though so for them it's a different equation with different goals than our own.
Just something to keep in mind.

[nightfx]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Yeah, but, would a 4 year term at say 2.75-3 mill per be all that long term and a huge risk though really ? I hate these 7-8 year contracts as well but say 4 isn't all that heavy. I could see if the guy has an attitude problem, is injury prone or something but he's not. He just seems to get better.

The risk is that he becomes UFA and walks away from the Flames when he's 27 and in his prime.

Why not sign him to a 1-3 year contract and then sign him to a 5+ year contract if he earns it and keep him during his prime?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Kind of interesting though, Karl Alzner is a good young D-man (24 years old) and just signed a 4 year, 2.8 per with the Caps. Although the two bring different things to the table, I think we may be over-valuing Brodie's worth at this very momment.

Alzner has way more time in the NHL and his role is sort of established. I think everyone is still hopeful that Brodie can be a Keith or Boyle type player.

[TurnedTheCorner]

We should sign him for 7 years at $3M per season, and then hope for the best. The math is solid.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by nightfx

The risk is that he becomes UFA and walks away from the Flames when he's 27 and in his prime.

Why not sign him to a 1-3 year contract and then sign him to a 5+ year contract if he earns it and keep him during his prime?

That's true. Will just cost more, but I guess you have a better idea of what you got say after 3 years. If we could do 3 years, I'm all for that.

[BigBrodieFan]

Originally Posted by Wood

Yeah you're right. I said as soon as you're over 26 you're an RFA, so 27. I thought T.J. was 24, not 23

Nope, he just turned 23 June 6th of this year.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Alzner has way more time in the NHL and his role is sort of established. I think everyone is still hopeful that Brodie can be a Keith or Boyle type player.

We can only hope. Don't really see him as a Keith, but a Boyle would be nice- good comparison.

[FAN]

I think a two year deal at a nice cap hit (below $2.5M) is a good deal for both sides. Brodie gets a bit more security and the team gets a player who will most likely play top 4 minutes at a low cap hit. Realistically, the best combination of term and cap hit will probably come in a deal that ends right when Brodie is eligible to be a UFA. For a team that hasn't had trouble keeping their own players, it's not such a bad option. But I would agree with Feaster that signing Brodie to a 6-8 year contract simply doesn't make sense.

[devo22]

the perfect scenario in my mind is signing him to a 2 year contract at 2.5m per year (or even make it 2.75m if it seals the deal). Gives stability and he has the opportunity to earn a big contract. If he develops the way we hope, sign him to a long term deal then.

[Vulcan]

I think 3 years at $2.5 per would be fair and maybe a bargain for the Flames but Feaster would want to give less money.

P.K. Subban only got $2.875M per over two years though although it breaks down to $2M for first year and $3.75 for the second so he's looking at a big raise next summer. Maybe we'll see something like $2M, $2.5M, and $3M for Brodie and he'll be worth every penny.

Flames won't want to give him a four year contract that takes him to UFA status as they will lose bargaining power.

[cannon7]

Feater better not be offering more than a 1-2 year contract. Brodie hasn't proven himself yet.

I've seen a distinct change in the contracts GMs are offering this offseason. Sure there's still the long-term deals like what Bergeron just signed. but there are many more 1-2 year deals than there have been in years past.

[WilderPegasus]

With the concerns about his character I'm not surprised Feaster doesn't want to sign him to a long term contract.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by WilderPegasus

With the concerns about his character I'm not surprised Feaster doesn't want to sign him to a long term contract.

What?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by WilderPegasus

With the concerns about his character I'm not surprised Feaster doesn't want to sign him to a long term contract.

Go on....

[Sylvanfan]

I think 4 years would be the worst term you could do, because you are letting the guy go to UFA at 27 which should put him in line for the biggest possible pay day. Not that Brodie compares to Hamhuis or Suter, but Nashville got those guys for good prices on 4 years second contracts....they lost two 27 year old defenceman for nothing 4 years later.

If you give him 4 years...it better be at 1.8 per year. So in that case your options are extend it a couple years to buy up a couple of those UFA years...or you shorten it to three years to give yourself a chance to hammer out a long term deal if need be a year before the player is UFA. At this point I haven't got enough info on Brodie to want to do a 5-6 year deal. You don't want to fall sucker for the Tom Gilbert thing where you pay a guy a lot of money over a long time after one season where he was a better player on a really bad team. Whereas the Kings have seen enough of a guy like Voynov to know he's a good player on a good team to commit to the longer term. The Roman Josi contract to me is a bit of a risk but given the Hamhuis and Suter scenarios, and Weber getting that massive offersheet, they may have felt it was less risky to committ 24 million now.