[News] 21 players have filed for salary arbitrartion. UPD: All 21 players settle

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by metroneck

Does filing for arbitration have any effect on possible contract offers from other teams, or does the player become 'protected'.

For that matter, when an RFA is qualified, does that protect the team from an offersheet?

For me, it really boils down to I want a team to offersheet Tanev, just to screw the Canucks, and for what they'd have to give up, I'm kinda surprised it has not happened.

If they file for arbitration they can't be offer sheeted.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If they file for arbitration they can't be offer sheeted.

Can't find confirmation yet, but I believe the new CBA allows offer sheets to players heading to arbitration

edit:
apparently you are correct ... if a player files for arbitration they cannot sign an offer sheet... if the club files for arbitration the player can sign an offersheet

[Ice]

So GM's could tell their players to file for arbitration, while continuing negotiations if they haven't reached an agreement, so they can't be offer sheeted.

[metroneck]

That's a catch 22 for the team, because they have to take what is awarded by the Arbitrator.

I guess it would make sense if you really were concerned about an offer sheet.

It definitely makes things interesting.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by Ice

So GM's could tell their players to file for arbitration, while continuing negotiations if they haven't reached an agreement, so they can't be offer sheeted.

"Hold on, Smithsie, we need you to file for arbitration because we're worried someone else might offer you more money than we're willing to pay you."

"No problem, GMsie, my agent totally wants to give up all negotiating power, especially to protect me from getting a bigger contract offer."

[FlamesFanStrandedInEDM]

Ever since I read Money Players, I have to feel that arbitration will not go well for some of those...

[PlayfulGenius]

Does it say anything about a team like WPG that has so many players going to arbitration?...or is that more of a coincidence?

[Jake]

Hopefully Gagner gets awarded a massive contract.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Does it say anything about a team like WPG that has so many players going to arbitration?...or is that more of a coincidence?

it says something about them, it says that they had alot of RFAs come up at once for renewal.

but seriously it shows they were unable/unwilling to work out deals for these guys, you have to think their tight internal budget plays a significant role in this as last summer and after the lockout it seemed like their RFAs (Bogo and Kane at least) just couldn't agree to terms in a timely manner, this year their RFAs happen to have arbitration rights.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

it says something about them, it says that they had alot of RFAs come up at once for renewal.

but seriously it shows they were unable/unwilling to work out deals for these guys, you have to think their tight internal budget plays a significant role in this as last summer and after the lockout it seemed like their RFAs (Bogo and Kane at least) just couldn't agree to terms in a timely manner, this year their RFAs happen to have arbitration rights.

Are you serious? It's a negotiation, and it takes a lot of time to happen. Lots of teams don't discuss until the season is over and even then they are working on UFA and Draft day. Electing to go to arbitration is part of the process.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/spo...215031891.html

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by metroneck

That's a catch 22 for the team, because they have to take what is awarded by the Arbitrator.

Only if the player and team actually make it to the arbitration. A lot of the time the team and player with come to terms and get a contract signed to avoid the Arbitrator.

[GreenLantern]

According to Cap Geek the Kings have 5.2 million in cap space..

They need to sign Nolan, Lewis, Clifford, Muzzin and Martinec.. with Penner out there as a UFA, most likely done with the club.

Muzzin had a good year for the Kings and will be due for a raise. King is currently making .750k, Clifford and Lewis were 4 points above his production last year while Nolan was 4 points below.

I find Nolan's arbitration interesting.. he is young, but it isn't like he has had steller numbers. Even so, if they are all rewarded over 1 mill that means the Kings have to move a player.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

Are you serious? It's a negotiation, and it takes a lot of time to happen. Lots of teams don't discuss until the season is over and even then they are working on UFA and Draft day. Electing to go to arbitration is part of the process.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/spo...215031891.html

Part of the process every GM in the league tries like hell to avoid.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Part of the process every GM in the league tries like hell to avoid.

I'd think every GM wants to avoid actual arbitration. This is players just following the process no?

[Huntingwhale]

I'd be surprised if any of these actually went to the arbitration hearing itself. As others have said, this is to prevent other teams from offer-sheeting those guys.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

I'd think every GM wants to avoid actual arbitration. This is players just following the process no?

Yes...but even then it seems extraordinary to me that almost 25% of all players filing this year are from one team.

It suggests (to me) that something is amiss with Cheveldayoff's negotiation abilities.

Certainly I wouldnt expect all 5 guys to actually make it to the hearing, but even if 1 or 2 get there...its a bad way to do business IMO. Arbitration is ugly for both sides. As an example, I believe that Darryl Sutter never ever let a case get to arbitration in 7 years...because he knew how it usually goes inside the room.

That being said, this is perhaps the way things will happen more often than not because of the new CBA.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I'd be surprised if any of these actually went to the arbitration hearing itself. As others have said, this is to prevent other teams from offer-sheeting those guys.

I thought these cases were player initiated, not team initiated?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I'd be surprised if any of these actually went to the arbitration hearing itself. As others have said, this is to prevent other teams from offer-sheeting those guys.

So the players have prevented themselves from being offer sheeted?

Why would they do that?

[JJsChaos]

I'd love to get Jake Muzzin's rights.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

Are you serious? It's a negotiation, and it takes a lot of time to happen. Lots of teams don't discuss until the season is over and even then they are working on UFA and Draft day. Electing to go to arbitration is part of the process.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/spo...215031891.html

I am very serious.

You think it's pure coincidence that 1/4 of the arbitration cases are from 1 team? Or that it is a coincidence that the same teams 2 biggest RFAs last summer both had trouble coming to terms?

It's not.

It's either A) showing the Jet's GM has a weakness in negotiating contracts, or B) the shoe string budget of the Jets is tying his hands, or C) a little bit of both.

While filing for and going to arbitration are "part of the process" it is apart of the process no team likes to let happen. It is quite frankly bad for the team when you go to arbitration and tear the player down just to save a few bucks.