Are there any UFA contracts signed that you feel the Flames missed out on?

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Khudubin. We're paying non-nhl tested guys more then a guy whos ready to be a star in the nhl. Canes got him for only 800K.

Khudobin is the guy I'm disappointed in as well... He would have come in and claimed #1 status here and kept it, IMO...and for cheap.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

If McGratton can play 9 minutes a game and move up to the 3rd line occasionally when needed.

O'Brien being on the ice 15-18 minutes a game is much more of a Jackman replacement than McGratton.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by skudr248

Really want the flames to sign brunner .. High skill and potential

And yet Detroit who brought him over and broke him into the NHL playing him on a line with Zetterberg had 5.5M for 40 year old Alfredsson (who had virtually the same regular season and play stats as Brunner) and 4.8 m /yr for 5 years for Jokinen's successor, coming off an injury in Florida .. (30 year old Wiess) didn't sign him.

You can almost hear Detroit hollering PASS on Brunner.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

If McGratton can play 9 minutes a game and move up to the 3rd line occasionally when needed.

O'Brien being on the ice 15-18 minutes a game is much more of a Jackman replacement than McGratton.

Huh? Jackman is a forward, and O'Brien is a D-man, not really comparable or inter-changable. And other that his 1st year here when he had a relative offensive explosion, Jackman's role has become obsolete with McGrattan around. McGrattan is a better fighter/agitator/goon/protector.

[FlamesAddiction]

No, none.

Khudobin would have been a decent pick up, but I am not sure that he is better than what we have, or that he would even sign with us over Carolina.

I am a little disappointed that we didn't sign Fistric over Russell. I think a big and strong depth defenseman like him would have been a better option than Russell, another small defenseman, and he would have been a good replacement for Sarich. Maybe they tried, I don't know... but I don't see the room for him now.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Huh? Jackman is a forward, and O'Brien is a D-man, not really comparable or inter-changable. And other that his 1st year here when he had a relative offensive explosion, Jackman's role has become obsolete with McGrattan around. McGrattan is a better fighter/agitator/goon/protector.

The point is that O'Brien and Jackman will be on the ice more than McGratton and likely be dressed for more games. When they are on it does not necessarily mean there is going to be a fight. It will not be quite the panic there will be when McGratton is on the ice and the Flames ice the puck.


Love McGrattan on the Flames but everyone has their roles.

Jackman has well over 2 hit/game every season and has missed 13 games since he became a Flame.

McGrattan, since he left Ottawa has a season high 34 games in 2009-10 where he had 16 hits in 34 games for the Flames.

Totally different roles and Jackman was forced to try to cover McGrattan's role as the Flames went sissy on us over the last 2-3 years,

[Heavy Jack]

We have a really mean team that we are assembling. Will be fun to watch next year though a bottom five position is a likely outcome. This team is finally exciting for me again though, lots of new faces, lots of internal prospects and some bigger bodies coming in to camp. Should be a fun year! Hoping we don't miss out on Brunner though. Really wanna see us flip Stemps to bring in Brunner and I feel Stemps is easily worth a 2nd round pick to a team. Phoenix could use a top 9 piece to fill out their line-up, could see them wanting Stempniak back.

Brunner is in that apex area right now, is a fellow countrymen of Sven's, listed as a center on HDB and nhl.com but is a right handed shot and could slide in on the right side. So many things about his game and where he's at in his career that make sense for the Flames. He's a top 6 piece that I think Feaster NEEDS to target and I hope he is.

[Ruttiger]

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I am a little disappointed that we didn't sign Fistric over Russell. I think a big and strong depth defenseman like him would have been a better option than Russell, another small defenseman, and he would have been a good replacement for Sarich. Maybe they tried, I don't know... but I don't see the room for him now.[/QUOTE]

I wonder about Fistric. I thought he was exactly the type of depth d-man the Oilers needed last year. But it turned out he couldn't regularly crack the lineup of a team with one of the weaker defense cores in the league. Not sure if it says more about Krueger or Fistric, but that's now 2 teams that have moved out the former first rounder for minimal to no return.

[Yanda]

I dont understand the outrage over the Ramo signing. We have one of the cheapest goaltending tandems in the league and where way under the salary cap.

The term is only 2 years so the signing doesnt effect Gillies or Brossiot.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Yanda

I dont understand the outrage over the Ramo signing. We have one of the cheapest goaltending tandems in the league and where way under the salary cap.

The term is only 2 years so the signing doesnt effect Gillies or Brossiot.

Don't think posters mind the Ramo signing but the money is a factor. Feaster can say that its an open battle for goaltending positions all he wants. When you pay one of the goaltenders $2.7 million, he is pretty much assured to be starting with the big club. The battle now is for the other spot with MacD , Otrio, and Berra. Considering that Ramo does not have much experience in the NHL its hard to imagine that they will want another goalie with no experience in tandem. Also GM's can say what ever they want, but a 1 way contract 99% of the time is picked over the 2 way contract.

I agree that 2 years does not effect Gilles or Brossoit. That said those 2 are more than 2 years away.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Khudubin. We're paying non-nhl tested guys more then a guy whos ready to be a star in the nhl. Canes got him for only 800K.

By going with our own guys, we get to see if they're good, we don't spend needlessly, and if they suck...we get a good draft pick!

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The point is that O'Brien and Jackman will be on the ice more than McGratton and likely be dressed for more games. When they are on it does not necessarily mean there is going to be a fight. It will not be quite the panic there will be when McGratton is on the ice and the Flames ice the puck.


Love McGratton on the Flames but everyone has their roles.

Jackman has well over 2 hit/game every season and has missed 13 games since he became a Flame.

McGratton, since he left Ottawa has a season high 34 games in 2009-10 where he had 16 hits in 34 games for the Flames.

Totally different roles and Jackman was forced to try to cover McGratton's role as the Flames went sissy on us over the last 2-3 years,

I think you might be undervaluing McGrattan a little. His primary role is as a"goon" however he scored at a pace of 12 points over 82 games vs. Jackman's 10. While he appeared in half as many games as Jackman, mainly due to being acquired in March, his TOI is a whole 30 seconds less than Jackman's (7:36 vs. 7:06) and has a profoundly better career +/- at -5 vs. Jackman's -57. No one is going to mistake either guy for a point-getting forward, but McGrattan is a much better fighter/agitator and on the rare occasion he scores some points, he still out-produces Jackman. I wager McGrattan gets into more games than Jackman next year.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Wood

Karri Ramo is younger than Khudobin, and has played a lot more NHL games

Since when was Khudobin "ready to be a star"? He was signed to be a back up

He's seeing an opportunity in Carolina, Ward has been declining and was hurt last year. THis is a chance for him to beat out Ward for more playing time. Watch him play, he should be a starter.

[return to the red]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

I think you might be undervaluing McGrattan a little. His primary role is as a"goon" however he scored at a pace of 12 points over 82 games vs. Jackman's 10. While he appeared in half as many games as Jackman, mainly due to being acquired in March, his TOI is a whole 30 seconds less than Jackman's (7:36 vs. 7:06) and has a profoundly better career +/- at -5 vs. Jackman's -57. No one is going to mistake either guy for a point-getting forward, but McGrattan is a much better fighter/agitator and on the rare occasion he scores some points, he still out-produces Jackman. I wager McGrattan gets into more games than Jackman next year.

This is no place for logic and stats

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

I think you might be undervaluing McGrattan a little. His primary role is as a"goon" however he scored at a pace of 12 points over 82 games vs. Jackman's 10. While he appeared in half as many games as Jackman, mainly due to being acquired in March, his TOI is a whole 30 seconds less than Jackman's (7:36 vs. 7:06) and has a profoundly better career +/- at -5 vs. Jackman's -57. No one is going to mistake either guy for a point-getting forward, but McGrattan is a much better fighter/agitator and on the rare occasion he scores some points, he still out-produces Jackman. I wager McGrattan gets into more games than Jackman next year.

So after 7 years and at age 31 this is McGratton's break out year as a player?

who is our first line d- pairing? Who gets to play with Cundari -- 1 goal 3 pts in 4 games......Its been a while since the Flames have had a 20 goal 60 pt D-man over the full season.

[dammage79]

Who did we miss out on? There's players I liked that signed elsewhere but I don't feel too strongly about anyone of them being missed out on by the Flames.
The players I am hoping for are still available and am still hoping one lands here.
My eyes are on the RFA crop. There's going to be something there to be had in the next week or so. Glad the Flames stayed low key yesterday.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So after 7 years and at age 31 this is McGratton's break out year as a player?

who is our first line d- pairing? Who gets to play with Cundari -- 1 goal 3 pts in 4 games......Its been a while since the Flames have had a 20 goal 60 pt D-man over the full season.

Where did I ever say he was going to 'break out" this year? I was simply showing that aside from Jackman's 1st year here, he hasn't out-produced McGrattan statistically and is a far more feared fighter than Jackman. Jackman averages more hits/GP and McGrattan averages more fights/GP. The goon role is likely McGrattan's to lose.

Why do you keep trying to bring up the D? It has absolutely no bearing on Jackman or McGrattan's ice time. And as an aside, there is no way Cundari is on the 1st pairing, as it currently stands. Maybe if he has a fantastic camp but it's almost guaranteed to be 2 of Brodie, Gio, Wideman on the first pair.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Where did I ever say he was going to 'break out" this year? I was simply showing that aside from Jackman's 1st year here, he hasn't out-produced McGrattan statistically and is a far more feared fighter than Jackman. Jackman averages more hits/GP and McGrattan averages more fights/GP. The goon role is likely McGrattan's to lose.

Why do you keep trying to bring up the D? It has absolutely no bearing on Jackman or McGrattan's ice time. And as an aside, there is no way Cundari is on the 1st pairing, as it currently stands. Maybe if he has a fantastic camp but it's almost guaranteed to be 2 of Brodie, Gio, Wideman on the first pair.

Sorry for being subtle.

I meant to say that you are using a very small sample to show that McGratton is a productive offensive player.




Using an even smaller sample (to illustrate my point) Cundari was the most productive Flames D-man from per game perspective.

The reason Jackman gets more hits is because he is out there to play the hockey game. McGratton doesn't hit as much because most of his time on the ice is sending a warning and setting up a fight....... a very important job. He doesn't have the skating ability to consistently deliver significant hits or he would be getting paid 2M / year like Booguard..

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

They are getting paid what they are worth. They are hard to play against and the Flames are short of that commodity.

Both are 28.

If Jackman gets hurt to the point he can't play hard or fight there are no other players in the Flames org to take his role.

I'd take Ryan Jones over both, thanks

[nightfx]

Originally Posted by fotze

Flames should have signed Ramp for less because when you sign players, YOU choose the amount and then sign them. $750k would have been the smarter signing, since that is a lesser number than what we signed him for.

Ramo would just stay in the KHL then.