[Rumour] Flames ownership squashed Seguin to Flames

[Rocky Raccoon]

Originally Posted by R2theJ

Meddling Owners??? They OWN the team and should have the final say on any acquisition large or small. Would you own a multi-million dollar business and not make the final decisions?

Then why employ Feaster if they don't trust his decision making?

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

Impossible to get upset over this without knowing the offer.

For all we know we would have had to send 6, 22, 28, Sven.

I think ownership made the right choice, and I doubt it had anything to do with the $'s. They want management to rebuild this team properly more than they want it done quickly, and the number of young pieces we likely would have had to give up likely would have accelerated the rate we became competitive for the playoffs while increasing the time it takes for us to become an elite team (and possible preventing this from happening at all).

IMO, this is ownership telling management, you made a plan, now stick to it.

[moon]

Seems doubtful and bad news if true.

If they don't trust Feaster to make hockey decisions then get someone else in. If they are too cheap to take on a contract like Seguin then sell the team.

Can't see a good reason that ownership should step in here but as mentioned I doubt the story is true.

[CliffFletcher]

Actually, if true I'm happy that ownership is now fully onboard with a proper, long-term rebuild based on drafting our own core.

Furthermore, not the least bit surprised at more indications that Flames ownership is this hands-on.

[The Ditch]

You can't teach talent, but you can become mature and respectful. If you're going to fill you team with character guys first and foremost, you're going to go nowhere fast.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Lanny's Stache

If so, then good on them. They seem to finally understand that you don't start a rebuild by trading away the few assets that you have. Seguin is going to be a player, but a team like Dallas is in a much better position asset wise to make this trade. The Flames need to draft and develop a core group, and then you can look at trading prospects that you don't consider in the core group in order to take that next step. We are at least 3 years away from being there, so I think it is refreshing to see that they are finally recognizing that.

Sure, but that is not what this article is implying. They are saying that the flames ownership does not want to spend during the rebuild. I think thats bull crap.

If the article had said Feaster did not want to pay the price to acquire Seguin then i would believe it. Feaster would have only gone to ownership if he thought it was worth it. If they turned him down because they thought he was giving up to many assets, then they would not have much trust in him going forward.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Actually, if true I'm happy that ownership is now fully onboard with a proper, long-term rebuild based on drafting our own core.

Furthermore, not the least bit surprised at more indications that Flames ownership is this hands-on.

I think ownership is consulted whenever a big money player is brought in or shipped out, on most teams.

When the Penguins got Iginla they mentioned having to run it by ownership for approval first. I think most of you would be shocked at how normal it is.

[Vinny01]

Yeah I posted the audio link where Dreger said the Flames felt better drafting and developing Monahan rather than trading for Seguin where they may feel pressured to try and expedite the rebuild.

[R2theJ]

Originally Posted by Rocky Raccoon

Then why employ Feaster if they don't trust his decision making?

I think he is trusted but on a major move like trading for Sequin, any GM would have to consult the owners before completing a trade of this magnitude.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Anduril

Judging by the Dallas trade, we would have ended giving up a lot. What pieces, who knows but can't judge without knowing

Considering the fact the Flames have no roster players comparable to Eriksson, either this year's or next year's first was almost certainly the main piece going to the Bruins. We dodged a bullet.

Originally Posted by Rocky Raccoon

Then why employ Feaster if they don't trust his decision making?

Originally Posted by moon

If they don't trust Feaster to make hockey decisions then get someone else in.

Nothing to do with faith in Feaster. They don't want an independent GM. That should be clear by now.

[CaramonLS]

It's hard to judge unless you know what the actual offer was - if it was something like Glencross, Giordano +, maybe that is good for the rebuild, if it was for Monahan + picks, not so much.

Given that ownership didn't want to take on the salary (according to the rumor), it hints at the latter.

[Badgers Nose]

Owners squashed it because it was a bad investment. I'll defer to their judgement.

My guess is they will spend that same money somewhere else on player(s) that match the identity they are going for.

[Redliner]

If this is in fact the case, I have no problem with the Flames not making this deal.

1. We likely would have overpaid to get him.
2. The cost, in terms of what we would have to give up in prospects and/or picks would not be worth what Seguin would bring to the team.
3. If his partying truly is that much of an issue, he's not the guy you want around a team full of young, impressionable players during a full-scale rebuild.

I may be in the minority here, but I can't help but wonder if we dodged a bullet on this one.

[Rocky Raccoon]

Originally Posted by R2theJ

I think he is trusted but on a major move like trading for Sequin, any GM would have to consult the owners before completing a trade of this magnitude.

I would rather that not be the case, they are not hockey professionals.

[Ashasx]

How would they have received this information?

It sounds like the wrote something they didn't mean to write.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I think ownership is consulted whenever a big money player is brought in or shipped out, on most teams.

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Bingo.

That would be true of most organizations in most sports.

As well, since they own the team, they have the right to do whatever they want.

Bill Wirtz was a "meddler." These guys? Not so much.

Cowperson

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Nothing to do with faith in Feaster. They don't want an independent GM. That should be clear by now.

That's the point and the problem.

[puffnstuff]

I don't have a problem with the ownership being engaged in decisions like this.

And as for the trust in the GM, that's a non starter, even Burke has said that there are levels to the autonomy that he got as a GM. Different levels of the budget that would either require consultation with ownership or they wouldn't. We can speculate what those levels are for Feaster, but I imagine a lot of GMs would need approval to add a 5+ million dollar contract. And the character issues with Seguin would, and should, be a red flag for anyone.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Bingo.

That would be true of most organizations in most sports.

As well, since they own the team, they have the right to do whatever they want.

Bill Wirtz was a "meddler." These guys? Not so much.

Cowperson

Yup, this seems like pretty standard stuff IMO.

[R2theJ]

Originally Posted by Rocky Raccoon

I would rather that not be the case, they are not hockey professionals.

They own the team... as a business owner, there is no way I would not be involved in major decisions that would drastically affect the course of my business (team) moving forward. I would be more concerned if the owners didn't want to be involved in these types of decisions.