[News] 2013 NHL Draft Results: Top 10 Team Performances - Did the Flames Make the Cut? (THW)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

This Shinkaruk discussion has to be one of the dumbest things in this year's draft. I honestly can't wrap my head around why people are so hung up on this one player and pretend to know exactly who a team should pick in the late first round. It's weird.

Yup. And it's even more bizarre when you factor in that maybe 10 teams passed him from his expected position, yet the only team taking any heat for that fact is the Flames.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

This Shinkaruk discussion has to be one of the dumbest things in this year's draft. I honestly can't wrap my head around why people are so hung up on this one player and pretend to know exactly who a team should pick in the late first round. It's weird.

If Detroit or Boston passed on a hometown kid they wouldn't make this big of a fuss about it and there are far fewer NHL players from those areas.

It's simply because they're the Calgary Flames. The same reason TSN analysts tore Feaster to shreds for going off the board and then 5 minutes later they commend other GM's for doing the same thing.

Fact is, the national media hates the Calgary Flames. Anyone that tries to say otherwise is simply being delusional.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

This Shinkaruk discussion has to be one of the dumbest things in this year's draft. I honestly can't wrap my head around why people are so hung up on this one player and pretend to know exactly who a team should pick in the late first round. It's weird.

Here's the thing: If Shinkaruk ends up being better than Poirier, there is a legitimate gripe because consensus was that, regardless of precisely where you thought they would go, Shinkaruk was the more solid pick.

Now, if Shinkaruk and Poirier end up even, that's a win for Calgary because they took a guy offboard who they wanted and I'll be damned if they weren't justified in doing so.

But, if Shinkaruk ends up being better than Poirier, then the hindsight discussion is about how it wasn't hindsight at the time to pick Shinkaruk over the less highly touted Poirier.

I don't think that's irrational at all. I think attempting to claim a winner at this point is.

Based on the sweet-sweet youtube clips of this Poirier guy, I am more excited to watch him develop (or not) than I would be a guy like Shinkaruk with obvious tools and the question of 'does he put it together at the NHL level'.

There is definitely an argument to be made though if Poirier doesn't turn out and Shinkaruk does. Flimsy, maybe, but it's a legit.

[_Q_]

I love it....

Calgary picks 6th, Edmonton 7th, Vancouver 9th. Who will be the better player long term? Monahan, Nurse or Horvat?

Then the Poirier vs. Shinkaruk debate (which I think is all BS) between Calgary and Vancouver.

Should heat up the rivalries in Western Canada nicely.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Here's the thing: If Shinkaruk ends up being better than Poirier, there is a legitimate gripe because consensus was that, regardless of precisely where you thought they would go, Shinkaruk was the more solid pick.

Now, if Shinkaruk and Poirier end up even, that's a win for Calgary because they took a guy offboard who they wanted and I'll be damned if they weren't justified in doing so.

But, if Shinkaruk ends up being better than Poirier, then the hindsight discussion is about how it wasn't hindsight at the time to pick Shinkaruk over the less highly touted Poirier.

I don't think that's irrational at all. I think attempting to claim a winner at this point is.

Based on the sweet-sweet youtube clips of this Poirier guy, I am more excited to watch him develop (or not) than I would be a guy like Shinkaruk with obvious tools and the question of 'does he put it together at the NHL level'.

There is definitely an argument to be made though if Poirier doesn't turn out and Shinkaruk does. Flimsy, maybe, but it's a legit.

Of course afterwards when the players are mature you can evaluate the picks, but even then there are dozens of players to take into account, not just this one guy who people are obsessed with for whatever reason.

I think sometimes media people act childish when someone who they thought was highly valued gets passed on by teams.

While Mckenzie practically predicted that Florida might take a center too, Pierre McGuire acted like not picking Jones was a personal insult against him. Some of these people are a little weird.

[flames_fan_down_under]

So ridiculous. Buffalo had two picks in the first round, and obviously passed on Shinkaruk twice. Winnipeg had a chance at 13, passed on Shinkaruk. Columbus, 2 picks in the first round, also decided Shinkaruk wasn't worthy of those picks. Detroit at 20, passed on Shinkaruk. All of these teams "did better" than Calgary.

None of it makes sense and this ganging up on Feaster and the Flames is getting a little out of hand IMO.

[PlayfulGenius]

I'd go....

1. Buffalo
2. Columbus
3. Calgary
4. Colorado

Avs based just on getting Mackinnon, really, though they got a promising D in the 2nd round as well.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

This Shinkaruk discussion has to be one of the dumbest things in this year's draft. I honestly can't wrap my head around why people are so hung up on this one player and pretend to know exactly who a team should pick in the late first round. It's weird.

Even weirder that it seems to be fueled greatly because he's from Calgary... As if Calgary made a mistake not drafting player just because he's from there... I wonder which BC boy Vancouver so brutally ignored at the draft

[Ashasx]

Shouldn't Washington be taking heat for passing on the mighty Shinkaruk? I mean, they're the ones who actually picked before the Canucks.

[PlayfulGenius]

I think it's valid to rate the teams already ... for me, it's easy... I simply look at the players drafted and ask myself which group of players would I be most excited about had the Flames drafted them...based in that criteria, the Flames did really well

[t0rrent98]

From what I was told, Calgary passed up on Shinkaruk because he supposely has an attitude problem and plus even if he did get drafted by the Flames he would have pulled an Erixon or a criag anderson..

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Shouldn't Washington be taking heat for passing on the mighty Shinkaruk? I mean, they're the ones who actually picked before the Canucks.

This ridiculous media coverage has me strongly cheering against Shinkaruk...I hope he's a total bust while also getting many seasons worth of Top 6 duty for the Canucks

[mrdonkey]

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[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

If Detroit or Boston passed on a hometown kid they wouldn't make this big of a fuss about it and there are far fewer NHL players from those areas.

It's simply because they're the Calgary Flames. The same reason TSN analysts tore Feaster to shreds for going off the board and then 5 minutes later they commend other GM's for doing the same thing.

Fact is, the national media hates the Calgary Flames. Anyone that tries to say otherwise is simply being delusional.

It is hard to come to any other conclusion, really. Fact is, both Buffalo and Columbus also passed on Shinkaruk twice and they are both getting praised up the yin yang. Don't know why drafting "hometown kids" has anything to do with building a successful team.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

even if he did get drafted by the Flames he would have pulled an Erixon or a criag anderson..

a tad over-dramatic?

[McG]

The other big pass by was Seth Jones by Colorado; they felt at their spot that there was a BPA for them and for their team. Are these so called rankings freaking out about not taking a Colorado player? Exactly. They aren't.

But somehow the flames are getting whacked about the exact same thing.

Would it matter if our 22 pick was in 28 spot? It shouldn't, but I bet it does.

Besides that, if I was Poirier I would be even more motivated!

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Fact is, the national media hates the Calgary Flames. Anyone that tries to say otherwise is simply being delusional.

It's not just the national media, the idiots on FAN960 won't shut up about it either. Just because they gushed about him in their mock draft they think he must have been the BPA. Keep in mind they also picked Horvat for the Flames at #6. Thanks but I'll put my faith in the actual scouts who make a living evaluating talent over some media hacks who just read central scouting reports and treat it as gospel.

[sun]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wasn't sold on Poirier until i did some research but now I am stoked. Also read an article on the herald prior to the draft where Janko said he is 190 pounds now. That is 20 lbs in a year and he is not 19 until September. He is a better prospect than most non-flames fans give him credit for. Feaster and the flames scouts have had 3 promising drafts hopefully it translates into NHL success soon

20 lbs in one year at his height, age, and the amount of cardio he does is seriously impressive. Shows commitment.

[Rifleman]

Maybe the media hates that Calgary passed on Shinkaruk because it would've been a story they could've milked from now until he retired. Hometown kid gets picked the year the Flames lose Iginla and attempts to lead them to the promised land. (Completely ignoring the fact the Flames selected Monahan ahead of him.)

We would've seen "Home-grown talent Hunter Shinkaruk" in the headlines for the next 15 years.

[Dienasty]

Shinkaruk dropped because of his psycho father, he used to pad his sons stats when he was the scorekeeper in minor hockey, he was busted and was banned for working the penalty box from peewee on.

On top of this hunter got to play on the first line in med hat his rookie season ( which unheard of) got to join the under 18 team, after his whl team was eliminated ( no other kid has been added to the team that late in the tourney in it's history,) and not to mention it has been rumors that his dad bribed royals coaches in bantam and midget)

There is very good reasons why the flames passed on him.