For some reason I always think these KHL offers are a complete load of BS. If all these European players are really being offered much more to play in the KHL than in the NHL, then how come the majority of them all wind of staying in the NHL? Besides that, by now it's pretty blatant how much better it is to play in North America than somewhere in Russia. Then at the end of the day who knows how much KHL players are actually being paid with the "non-guaranteed" KHL contracts.
What type of tax would he pay on this in Russia? I thought I read somewhere that certain salaries could be tax exempt.
They are tax exempt. He'd get to keep every dollar.
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$10,000,000.00? Per Year? That's cra-cra. He'd be a fool not to take that kind of money (and someone is a fool for offering it).
Dont forget though, that KHL contracts are not equal to NHL contracts. If he doesnt live up to it, the club can just stop paying him and theres very little he can do.
The term 'contract' is thrown around pretty loosely over there.
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Three of the top five players in the NHL currently are Russian. Not really saying anything we all don't know already, but I can't believe people are so against taking them at this point.
Can any one actually name me a few elite level players, who left the NHL for Russia? Radulov is really the only one that comes to mind, and even he went back and forth about it over the years. Zherdev and Filatov also left, but neither of them are really top six level forwards anyway. Then there is Kuznetsov who wasn't guaranteed top six minutes, and will probably come to the NHL one day when his contract is up.
Some people on here are way too paranoid about Russians fleeing the NHL for the KHL. I'd wager there is a 99% chance Nichushkin will remain in the NHL for most of his professional career as long as he can play in the top six and make a great living in North America. If he's obviously the best player available you have to take him IMO.
You also can't be scared because the Flames have a poor history drafting Russians. None of those guys had the talent Nichushkin has, and they knew they would be better off playing in Europe, rather than playing in the AHL or on some teams bottom six.
Three of the top five players in the NHL currently are Russian. Not really saying anything we all don't know already, but I can't believe people are so against taking them at this point.
Can any one actually name me a few elite level players, who left the NHL for Russia?
Why would they go the the KHL?
Ovechkin 9M on a long term contract
Malkin just re-signed at 9.5M
Datsyk just re-signed for 7.5M average including 10M the first year in his mid 30's
Kovalchuk 11.3M on a stupid contract
Why would they go the the KHL?
Ovechkin 9M on a long term contract
Malkin just re-signed at 9.5M
Datsyk just re-signed for 7.5M average including 10M the first year in his mid 30's
Kovalchuk 11.3M on a stupid contract
But these were all players that came to North America to play hockey and didn't have crazy contracts.
I think the point some people are trying to make is that if the Flames draft Nichushkin, and he is really that good, he will get his money in North America rather than go back to Russia - just like the superstars you mentioned above. If he ends up bombing, then who cares where he goes (just like Filatov and others)?
I would think the Flames have scouted him enough, and interviewed him enough if they end up drafting him. I think teams are justified to be a bit more leery of drafting Russians, but it would be full-###### to avoid a potential franchise superstar when the majority of Russians that actually make it in the NHL end up staying in the NHL. He either has the talent to make it and stays in the NHL, or he doesn't and goes back home.
It's not that strange that Europeans don't go to the KHL and stay there forever. While it's not a third world country, it's not exactly like living in NYC or Los Angeles. If you're good enough you're still likely to try and claw your way to the NHL. Granted, Moscow's a nice city.
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Three of the top five players in the NHL currently are Russian. Not really saying anything we all don't know already, but I can't believe people are so against taking them at this point.
Can any one actually name me a few elite level players, who left the NHL for Russia? Radulov is really the only one that comes to mind, and even he went back and forth about it over the years. Zherdev and Filatov also left, but neither of them are really top six level forwards anyway. Then there is Kuznetsov who wasn't guaranteed top six minutes, and will probably come to the NHL one day when his contract is up.
Some people on here are way too paranoid about Russians fleeing the NHL for the KHL. I'd wager there is a 99% chance Nichushkin will remain in the NHL for most of his professional career as long as he can play in the top six and make a great living in North America. If he's obviously the best player available you have to take him IMO.
You also can't be scared because the Flames have a poor history drafting Russians. None of those guys had the talent Nichushkin has, and they knew they would be better off playing in Europe, rather than playing in the AHL or on some teams bottom six.
Nichushkin, most likely, isn't going to be at Ovechkin/Malkin/Dastyuk/Kovalchuk level. He's more likely to be at Radulov/Frolov/Zherdev/Afinogenov level and they all are at KHL. KHL cap is going up next season (by 6.6%). NHL cap is going down. Nobody knows for sure how things will change in 3-5 years from now, when Nichushkin's ELC expires. And it's a pain you have to deal with not just after draft, but every season. There will be a constant, ever-present risk of him not re-signing, bolting to KHL if he is sent down/not given top-six minutes/not happy with whatever. It will affect the whole team and can complicate building the new team (as GM is never sure whether he will or will not have Nichushkin for next season). It could still worth the risk in some other years, but given Flames situation and draft quality I would rather pass.
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As someone else mentioned, the way contract law works in Russia, he may not be guaranteed that salary if he doesn't live up to it. From what I understand, in Russia, there are avenues for both parties in a contract to get out of it if things aren't working out. The whole idea of being bound by a contact isn't the same there like here and Western Europe. Maybe Pointman could shed light on that more.
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As per KHL regulations (http://www.khl.ru/documents/KHL_lega...14_revised.pdf in russian), club can terminate a contract at any time except for playoffs. In this case player receives a certain part of the amount remained on his contract. It depends on the date of the termination, and basically is 20/50/100 % of current season salary (depends on the contract being terminated prior to the season/before 1st Jan/after 1st Jan) and 20% of the salary for the future season(s).
Contracts are NOT tax exempt. However, it is employer who pays taxes in Russia and employee receives only net amount.
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