06-03-2013, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by moon
The first line of the article says the kid was getting bullied and harrassed.
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According to the article a kid was put in a headlock and had a knife pulled on him for absolutely no reason. Excuse me for thinking we may not be getting the whole story here. In my opinion all we're seeing here is the media capitalizing on how many clicks the word "bully" is going to get them.
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06-03-2013, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by moon
Well his locker was searched which could be looked as being disciplined so yes it could be more clear.
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No, it couldn't. It could be looked at as part of a thorough investigation.
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06-03-2013, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by valo403
No, it couldn't. It could be looked at as part of a thorough investigation.
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It could be looked at either way, but no need to really investigate a kid that stepped in to help someone who was getting bullied and harrassed.
You don't get your locker checked as a reward.
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06-03-2013, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Russic
According to the article a kid was put in a headlock and had a knife pulled on him for absolutely no reason. Excuse me for thinking we may not be getting the whole story here. In my opinion all we're seeing here is the media capitalizing on how many clicks the word "bully" is going to get them.
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The reason seemed to be bullying.
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06-03-2013, 09:53 AM
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I can see both sides here. Kind of ridiculous for the school to do much more than say "Good job, but don't do it again." sort of thing.
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06-03-2013, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by valo403
No, it couldn't. It could be looked at as part of a thorough investigation.
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To bad Puckluck2 isn't here to provide insight into proceedure.....
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06-03-2013, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by moon
It could be looked at either way, but no need to really investigate a kid that stepped in to help someone who was getting bullied and harrassed.
You don't get your locker checked as a reward.
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Right, because I'm sure that there's a video that showed the entire incident, all that lead up to it and any other pertinent information which would allow the school/police to know exactly what happened without investigating at all. What sort of delusional universe do you live in?
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06-03-2013, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by moon
The reason seemed to be bullying.
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Once again I assume this is based upon your detailed investigation and personal knowledge of the incident and the individuals involved, right?
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06-03-2013, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by valo403
Right, because I'm sure that there's a video that showed the entire incident, all that lead up to it and any other pertinent information which would allow the school/police to know exactly what happened without investigating at all. What sort of delusional universe do you live in?
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Why does there have to be a video showing the incident?
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06-03-2013, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by valo403
Once again I assume this is based upon your detailed investigation and personal knowledge of the incident and the individuals involved, right?
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Its from reading the article and information presented.
When have I come close to saying that I had personal knowledge of the incident or investigated it? I must have missed that being a requirement before posting an opinion on an event.
With requirements like that I am shocked the various 9/11, election, politics etc. threads are able to run on as long as they do.
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06-03-2013, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
To bad Puckluck2 isn't here to provide insight into proceedure.....
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Yeah, or Pinner. I hear you're an expert on how 4 way stop signs work.
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06-03-2013, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by moon
Why does there have to be a video showing the incident?
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Well I assume there would have to be in order for your scenario of absolutely no investigation to be at all believable. Otherwise we're left with taking the word of a few 12 year olds, who I'm sure would all give complete and honest answers.
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06-03-2013, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by moon
Its from reading the article and information presented.
When have I come close to saying that I had personal knowledge of the incident or investigated it? I must have missed that being a requirement before posting an opinion on an event.
With requirements like that I am shocked the various 9/11, election, politics etc. threads are able to run on as long as they do.
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You have come close to that by coming to conclusions without any basis to do so.
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06-03-2013, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by valo403
Well I assume there would have to be in order for your scenario of absolutely no investigation to be at all believable. Otherwise we're left with taking the word of a few 12 year olds, who I'm sure would all give complete and honest answers.
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I said an investigation was believable not sure where you are getting that from.
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You have come close to that by coming to conclusions without any basis to do so.
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The only conclusions I have come to is that the letter was condescending and that it sounded like the kid who stepped in got suspended. Saw that was wrong and stated it.
I believe that the most likely story is that the kid with the knife was likely the one at fault and the bully story sounds most likely. I don't think I have said it was definitive just have no reason to believe it didn't happen like that.
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06-03-2013, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by moon
I said an investigation was believable not sure where you are getting that from.
The only conclusions I have come to is that the letter was condescending and that it sounded like the kid who stepped in got suspended. Saw that was wrong and stated it.
I believe that the most likely story is that the kid with the knife was likely the one at fault and the bully story sounds most likely. I don't think I have said it was definitive just have no reason to believe it didn't happen like that.
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no need to really investigate a kid that stepped in to help someone who was getting bullied and harrassed
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What you're telling me with that line right there is that the school should have known that a) this was a clear case of one child being bullied by another, and b) that the third child was clearly only involved to help, without conducting any sort of investigation.
You've attempted to spin your initial claim that the third child was suspended (which was false) into a claim that he was punished because he was investigated. Investigations are required to obtain full information and confirm accounts, they are not punishment. So if you think an investigation was warranted, where exactly is the punishment?
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06-03-2013, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by valo403
What you're telling me with that line right there is that the school should have known that a) this was a clear case of one child being bullied by another, and b) that the third child was clearly only involved to help, without conducting any sort of investigation.
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I said that I thought a investigation was believable. That line that you quoted meant that in my view a search of the child that stepped into help a kid in a head lock, and subsequent possible knife, did not need his locker searched.
It is possible to have an investigation without searching everyone's locker. That was my point.
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You've attempted to spin your initial claim that the third child was suspended (which was false) into a claim that he was punished because he was investigated. Investigations are required to obtain full information and confirm accounts, they are not punishment. So if you think an investigation was warranted, where exactly is the punishment?
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I haven't spun anything and stated that I missed the one part and assumed it was the kid who stepped in who was suspended and not the kid in the head lock.
Again not sure the investigation needed to include the search of the locker and said "could be looked at" as punishment. Didn't say definitively but if they did it in a way of accusing him of wrong doing then in my view that is punishment for someone who appears to have done nothing wrong.
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06-03-2013, 01:16 PM
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So to sum it up, an incomplete investigation would have been the best course of action here.
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06-03-2013, 01:21 PM
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So to sum it up, an incomplete investigation would have been the best course of action here.
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No I am saying the investigation could be complete without searching the kid who stepped in to help's locker.
Why is an investigation that doesn't look in the kids locker incomplete?
If all the kids say that it went down that way do they need to look in his locker? If there is no report of him having any weapon what are they finding in that locker?
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06-03-2013, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by moon
No I am saying the investigation could be complete without searching the kid who stepped in to help's locker.
Why is an investigation that doesn't look in the kids locker incomplete?
If all the kids say that it went down that way do they need to look in his locker? If there is no report of him having any weapon what are they finding in that locker?
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So you're telling me that in your world a through investigation of an incident involving 3 people would include checking out the full story of only 2 of them?
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06-03-2013, 02:42 PM
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Did he have a cool pun.
Like if he stabbed the guy would he grin and say "I now pronounce you man and knife"
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