Iggy VS Alfie

[TurnedTheCorner]

Iggy roolz, Alfie droolz!!1!

[macrov]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Yeah, Alfredsson has never been the best forward on his team, it's been debatable but with Iginla it's been a given. Even before Spezza and Heatley, Alfreddson was playing with guys like Marian Hossa.

Sure...but then Heatley wanted out and got out. And Hossa left. And Chara left. And Redden left. And Havlat went out.

And Alfie stuck around. There have been some awful Ottawa teams these past few years. The talent level in Ottawa is very comparable to Calgary.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Your use of markup almost persuaded me, but then I noticed you didn't use all caps.

[TurnedTheCorner]

What a weird thread to make 2.5 years after signing up.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by macrov

In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell.

Yeah, I'm sure George wrote that with utterly meaningless professional sports transactions in mind.

[Northendzone]

Quality thread, would recommend to friends and will read again

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by macrov

How many times have they missed the playoffs in the past 9 years? Probably as many times as Calgary

Ottawa has only missed the playoffs twice in the past 9 seasons.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by macrov

The talent level in Ottawa is very comparable to Calgary.

It really isn't. Ottawa has shown tremendous drafting and developing over the past little while. They've managed to move young guys into the line up at an amazing rate and have them play well.

Silfverberg, Karlsson, Cowan, Zibanejad all 22 years and younger. They also get young guys in trades, getting (at the time) 22 year old Kyle Turris and 22 year old Cory Conacher from Tampa this season. The Flames haven't had anything even remotely close to that.

There is a reason Alfreddson has been able to be more youthful then Iginla, he's been surrounded by it.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

first post has to be trolling

'abandons the ship'

why would Alfie abandon Ottawa?? they have a tremendous future and tons of young guys who are stepping up right now

Iginla was likely never going to make it out of the first round in his career again considering his age

Iginla letting the Flames know early and accepting a trade helped the Flames rebuild

Honestly, Ottawa 3 years ago looks the way the Flames do now.

THey had Karlson, we have Brodie.
They have Zebenjad, we have a 6th overall pick.
They have silverberg, we Baertchi
They had Gonchar, we have wideman

We have no Spezza. They had/have no equivalent of Gio, Cammy

All Im pointing out is that 3 years ago, Alfie didnt leave. This year, Iggy did.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

The Flames came to Iginla for the trade, Iginla didn't seek it out.

So you are saying that had the Flames not approached Iginla and asked to trade him, that he would have re-signed with the Flames during the off-season? Sorry, I don't buy it. Like it or not, Macrov makes a decent comparison. The 2010-11 season saw the Sens finish 26th in the league with 74 points. There was all kinds of smoke suggesting that Alfredsson would be moved, but he wasn't. Granted, Alfredsson was not an upcoming UFA at the time, but he could have just as easily requested a trade.

[t0rrent98]

Originally Posted by macrov

I dont see it that way.

How did the sen's get Zibinegad? By finishing as the 5th last team in the league. Did Alfie leave? No.

How many times have they missed the playoffs in the past 9 years? Probably as many times as Calgary

where have the sens finished in the standings over the past few years? Comparable to Calgary.

How old is Alfie? 40. He's almost done.
How old is Iggy? 34. Six years left.

Except Ottawa has homegrown talent compared to Calgary. Not too mention their scouting staff is probably far better than Calgarys IMO, Coaching/GM too. Alfie has had skilled players over the past few years like Spezza, Iginla has had who in term of Spezza to center him?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by macrov

Sure...but then Heatley wanted out and got out. And Hossa left. And Chara left. And Redden left. And Havlat went out.

And Alfie stuck around. There have been some awful Ottawa teams these past few years. The talent level in Ottawa is very comparable to Calgary.

True for the simple fact you emboldened it.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

Except Ottawa has homegrown talent compared to Calgary. Not too mention their scouting staff is probably far better than Calgarys IMO, Coaching/GM too. Alfie has had skilled players over the past few years like Spezza, Iginla has who to center him?

David Moss for 9 games!

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Ark2

So you are saying that had the Flames not approached Iginla and asked to trade him, that he would have re-signed with the Flames during the off-season? Sorry, I don't buy it. Like it or not, Macrov makes a decent comparison. The 2010-11 season saw the Sens finish 26th in the league with 74 points. There was all kinds of smoke suggesting that Alfredsson would be moved, but he wasn't. Granted, Alfredsson was not an upcoming UFA at the time, but he could have just as easily requested a trade.

Okay, you speculate, I'll speculate too.

If the Senators were out of a playoff spot this year, the year Daniel is about to be a UFA are you suggesting he or the Senators wouldn't have seriously looked at being moved at the deadline?

Sorry, I don't buy it.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by macrov

Sure...but then Heatley wanted out and got out. And Hossa left. And Chara left. And Redden left. And Havlat went out.

And Alfie stuck around. There have been some awful Ottawa teams these past few years. The talent level in Ottawa is very comparable to Calgary.

Nobody questions Alfredsson's skills or loyalty, but how can you look at the standings before the trade and tell us that Calgary=Ottawa?

[macrov]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

first post has to be trolling
Iginla letting the Flames know early and accepting a trade helped the Flames rebuild

Remember that time Iginla nixed a trade to Boston where the return to the flames would have been better?

Did Iginla nix the trade for the benefit of the flames? Or did Iginla nix the trade for the benefit of Iginla?

[macrov]

Originally Posted by Ark2

So you are saying that had the Flames not approached Iginla and asked to trade him, that he would have re-signed with the Flames during the off-season? Sorry, I don't buy it. Like it or not, Macrov makes a decent comparison. The 2010-11 season saw the Sens finish 26th in the league with 74 points. There was all kinds of smoke suggesting that Alfredsson would be moved, but he wasn't. Granted, Alfredsson was not an upcoming UFA at the time, but he could have just as easily requested a trade.

This.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by macrov

Honestly, Ottawa 3 years ago looks the way the Flames do now.

THey had Karlson, we have Brodie.
They have Zebenjad, we have a 6th overall pick.
They have silverberg, we Baertchi
They had Gonchar, we have wideman

We have no Spezza. They had/have no equivalent of Gio, Cammy

All Im pointing out is that 3 years ago, Alfie didnt leave. This year, Iggy did.

how many points did the 2013 6th overall pick put up this year in the NHL

and Brodie to Karllson??!?!?

troll troll troll your boat....

[Hockey_Ninja]

I'm shocked that Flash and EE haven't come in here and bashed Iggy yet.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Okay, you speculate, I'll speculate too.

If the Senators were out of a playoff spot this year, the year Daniel is about to be a UFA are you suggesting he or the Senators wouldn't have seriously looked at being moved at the deadline?

Sorry, I don't buy it.

He's been signing one year contracts. Every offseason he decides whether or not he wants to retire. If he does not want to retire he signs a 1 year contract. He has already said he will retire a Senator.