Pedobear defects to Iran

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Perhaps read what Cowperson wrote before you jump on him. Not to put words in his mouth, but he said that if a culture thinks 9 is old enough, perhaps that culture is not worth keeping around. Not Iranians, not anything, just cultures in general.

Aren't you Jewish? The Torah states the age for Jewish women to be married is 12 so I'm curious to what you think about that and the child marriages that happen in your religion and culture.

[Devils'Advocate]

Regarding the question of sexual relations, there is a large opposition to this practice within Iran, not based on women's rights but rather on health reasons. The child brides are getting pregnant long before their bodies are able to carry a child leading to premature deaths of both mother and child.

Amnesty categorizes child marriage as "violence against women". Which I think is very appropriate.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Aren't you Jewish? The Torah states the age for Jewish women to be married is 12 so I'm curious to what you think about that and the child marriages that happen in your religion and culture.

Have you got any links to these supposed 12 year olds being married off. If it's happening, my guess would be the ultra orthodox jews, and yes it should be stopped.

I've never heard of it happening in Jewish culture though I guess it could happen. Links would be helpful.

[Itse]

This thread needs a reminder that religious freaks are not all there is to Iran.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/ar...-clothing.html

Last month, an Iranian judge in the northwest Kurdish city of Marivan handed down a rare form of punishment to three men involved in a violent street fight: they were to be paraded around town trussed up in women’s clothes.
Turns out, the women of Marivan were less than amused by the sentence. When the first convict marched down the streets on April 15 clad in a veil, dozens of angry women turned out to protest, calling the perp walk sexist. Local police cracked down on the demonstrations, breaking one woman’s leg and injuring several other activists, according to the International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran. Citizen journalists recorded videos of the punishment and the protest and uploaded them onto YouTube, while activists created a Facebook page—“Being a Woman Is Not Shameful”—and invited Iranian men to join them in solidarity. So far, the page has gained more than 13,000 likes in the past week, and thousands of male supporters have submitted pictures of themselves dressed up in female finery for the cause.

Yes, there is a lot of messed up religious "conservatism" in Iran, and the current regime is crap in many other ways too, but calling either one of these features typically Iranian culture is hardly fair. (Especially if you take a longer historical perspective.)


EDIT: Addition from another article, to remind that there is also a politically organized minority voicing these opinions.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314768/Iranian-men-dressed-drag-protest-courts-decision-humiliate-criminal-forcing-walk-public-womens-clothing.html

In response 17 members of Iran’s parliament signed a letter sent to the Justice Ministry condemning the sentence as ‘humiliating to Muslim women,’ with one MP criticising it during a session of parliament.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Itse

This thread needs a reminder that religious freaks are not all there is to Iran.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/ar...-clothing.html

Yes, there is a lot of messed up religious "conservatism" in Iran, and the current regime is crap in many other ways too, but calling either one of these features typically Iranian culture is hardly fair. (Especially if you take a longer historical perspective.)


EDIT: Addition from another article, to remind that there is also a politically organized minority voicing these opinions.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314768/Iranian-men-dressed-drag-protest-courts-decision-humiliate-criminal-forcing-walk-public-womens-clothing.html

Careful. You don't want to be shown to disagree with the "Muslims are savages" narrative that is so popular with some members here.

[Cowperson]

FYI, the link to National Geographics 2011 photo essay on child brides. Disturbing content:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...ir-photography

and a followup in 2013.

How many children and teenage girls are ready for marriage? Yet the practice is shockingly prevalent: One out of nine girls in developing countries will be married by age 15, according to the United Nations. An estimated 14.2 million girls a year will become child brides by 2020 if nothing changes.

Driven largely by poverty and cultural traditions, such marriages are usually arranged by family members. The physical and emotional consequences can be life shattering, even fatal.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...r-photography/

Cowperson

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Aren't you Jewish? The Torah states the age for Jewish women to be married is 12 so I'm curious to what you think about that and the child marriages that happen in your religion and culture.

What the hell kind of bizarro world deflection attempt is this?

It happens extremely rarely in Israel, and if it does the state does try to intervene either through social workers or the police and its considered to be a fairly repulsive practice if it does happen.

On top of that the legal age to consent to marry in Israel is 17.

http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-...ic-practice-o/

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Careful. You don't want to be shown to disagree with the "Muslims are savages" narrative that is so popular with some members here.

Are you really trying to justify Sharia Law and all that it contains?

Cause if so, you are really really bad at it.

The legal affairs committee of parliament told the press that they regard the law that prohibits girls below the age of 10 from being married off to be "un-Islamic and illegal," referencing Islamic scripture to which describes the Prophet Muhammad -- the perfect example of all Muslims -- marrying a six-year-old bride, with whom he consummated the marriage when she was only nine years old.

Mohammad Ali Isfenani, the chairman for the legal affairs committee, said matter-of-factly: "As some people may not comply with our current Islamic legal system, we must regard 9 as being the appropriate age for a girl to have reached puberty and qualified to get married. To do otherwise would be to contradict and challenge Islamic Sharia law."

It is savagery in its basest form.

[PsYcNeT]

What I find baffling is that you guys think the citizens of Iran actually voted for the creepy weirdos who run their government.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

What I find baffling is that you guys think the citizens of Iran actually voted for the creepy weirdos who run their government.

Wait what? Where was this posted?


I am no expert on Iran, but didn't the currect political set up arise as a result of an uprising by the people against the previous gov't? I am sure I read that somewhere.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Wait what? Where was this posted?


I am no expert on Iran, but didn't the currect political set up arise as a result of an uprising by the people against the previous gov't? I am sure I read that somewhere.

It was hardly a civil uprising, rather a group whipped up by a religious nutbag, and it really was a case of new boss, same as the old boss.

Regardless, it seems a lot of the hatred in this thread is directed at the people of Iran, rather than their bat#### crazy fundie government. In most respects, Iran is a terribly cosmopolitan country in spite of their government.

Direct your hate properly.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

It was hardly a civil uprising, rather a group whipped up by a religious nutbag, and it really was a case of new boss, same as the old boss.

Regardless, it seems a lot of the hatred in this thread is directed at the people of Iran, rather than their bat#### crazy fundie government. In most respects, Iran is a terribly cosmopolitan country in spite of their government.

Direct your hate properly.

I am fine with my targeting thanks.

[PsYcNeT]

I can understand. I often find myself hating Chinese citizens living in Shanghai for their government's oppression of Tibet. It makes total sense you see because

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I can understand.

good.


So one question?

Are the people of Iran being forced to marry 9 yr old girls by the gov't?

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Are you really trying to justify Sharia Law and all that it contains?

Cause if so, you are really really bad at it.

It is savagery in its basest form.

wait though, he said "Muslims are savages" is the generalization being used. is that Sharia stuff representative of all Islamic belief/practice around the globe? Or is it more like that ######ed extremist "Christian" junk from the southern states that makes news but really doesn't have significant support amongst the vast majority of Christians?

like psycnet said, target that hate, don't close your eyes and blast everything with a shotgun.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am fine with my targeting thanks.

Of course you are. You hated muslims and were ignorant as "ok, ok, I get it" and were ignorant and hated muslims as "pinner" so no surprise nothing has changed.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Of course you are. You hated muslims and were ignorant as "ok, ok, I get it" and were ignorant and hated muslims as "pinner" so no surprise nothing has changed.

Please find me a post where I "hated muslims" as "ok, et al.".

For the last time, I am not/never have been Pinner.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Have you got any links to these supposed 12 year olds being married off. If it's happening, my guess would be the ultra orthodox jews, and yes it should be stopped.

I've never heard of it happening in Jewish culture though I guess it could happen. Links would be helpful.

Well considering their whole religion is based around Isaac marrying a girl who was said to be 3 years old I'd say the religions are pretty similar so I wanted to know whether he was also disgusted by that in his religion or would he only comment on the muslims doing the wrong thing?

And I agree, it is pretty disgusting on both ends. It rarely happens in Iran as well and the lunatics in Iran making it law or whatever won't change that.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Well considering their whole religion is based around Isaac marrying a girl who was said to be 3 years old I'd say the religions are pretty similar so I wanted to know whether he was also disgusted by that in his religion or would he only comment on the muslims doing the wrong thing?

And I agree, it is pretty disgusting on both ends. It rarely happens in Iran as well and the lunatics in Iran making it law or whatever won't change that.

Nah, actually, you took it as a chance to take swipe at Jews.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Nah, actually, you took it as a chance to take swipe at Jews.

LOL please show me where I did that. Your reading comprehension might need a little tuning.