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Komskies · 05-06-2013, 10:38 AM

All these mentions of Brodin and nothing about Jake Muzzin in LA?

For a trophy that's determined mostly on statistics, Muzzin beat Brodin is essentially every category there is.

transplant99 · 05-06-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Komskies

All these mentions of Brodin and nothing about Jake Muzzin in LA?

For a trophy that's determined mostly on statistics, Muzzin beat Brodin is essentially every category there is.

He was a 3rd pairing Dman....Brodin played 1st pairing and always against the other teams best line.

PlayfulGenius · 05-06-2013, 10:51 AM

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What a ridiculously unsustainable shooting percentage.

Am I the only one that finds it funny when a player's stats are argued as 'less than' because they're 'unsustainable'???

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

Yakupov had a kick-ass shooting % this season...maybe he's a really good shooter.

FanIn80 · 05-06-2013, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

He was a 3rd pairing Dman....Brodin played 1st pairing and always against the other teams best line.

...with Ryan Suter.

oilyfan · 05-06-2013, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Based on what - these stats?

Yakupov was a non-factor throughout the year. His point surge late in the season, when the Oilers played for nothing but personal stats, were absolutely irrelevant.

Yes based on these stats, it is the first time in a long time the leading rookie goal scorer hasn't been nominated

d_phaneuf · 05-06-2013, 10:55 AM

kinda shocked Brodin wasn't nominated, I would have Yakupov 6th after him and Muzzin

getbak · 05-06-2013, 11:01 AM

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Yes based on these stats, it is the first time in a long time the leading rookie goal scorer hasn't been nominated

The fact that he scored 35% of his goals in the final 3 games of the season probably played a big role in that.

Enoch Root · 05-06-2013, 11:10 AM

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Yes based on these stats, it is the first time in a long time the leading rookie goal scorer hasn't been nominated

But it is not a given that the leading scorer is nominated. And other than some late season, meaningless points, he wouldn't even have had that.

I have yet to see anyone, other than Oiler fans, who thought he should have been nominated.

But if you have any actual arguments to suggest he should have been, please - let's hear them.

FlamesAllTheWay · 05-06-2013, 11:12 AM

Heard on the FAN this morning Brodin is now amongst only 4 other D who averaged more than 20 minutes a game in their rookie season while also being a plus player.

Certainly helps playing with Suter but that's still pretty amazing. Deserved at least a nomination.

Enoch Root · 05-06-2013, 11:12 AM

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The fact that he scored 35% of his goals in the final 3 games of the season probably played a big role in that.

Had it been a run for the playoffs, and his heroics gave them a chance to get in, then those points probably would have won him the trophy, never mind a nomination.

But they, like his whole season IMO, were late and felt hollow.

timbit · 05-06-2013, 11:15 AM

Brodin had a far better case for being nominated for the Calder than Yakupov.

oilyfan · 05-06-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But it is not a given that the leading scorer is nominated. And other than some late season, meaningless points, he wouldn't even have had that.

I have yet to see anyone, other than Oiler fans, who thought he should have been nominated.

But if you have any actual arguments to suggest he should have been, please - let's hear them.

I thought I made the case based on his stats, but I guess I am not convincing enough

flames_fan_down_under · 05-06-2013, 11:26 AM

I would say Brodin and Yakupov should be on that list. As much as I hate the Oilers Yakupov was on pace for 29 goals if playing an 82 game season. Which is pretty impressive for a rookie.

GreenLantern · 05-06-2013, 11:32 AM

I agree, it isn't like Saad was just put on a line with Toews to see what would happen, he worked his way up from the 3rd/4th line and earned his spot.

Great player who had a great year, he belongs in the nominations. I do agree that Brodin got robbed however.

The Coppernian One · 05-06-2013, 11:32 AM

Late season points in meaningless games can't be used against Yakupov and not against Huberdeau. Huberdeau was playing in far more meaningless games than Yakupov was. Yakupov had a better plus/minus and scored the same amount of points (with 2 mins less per game) than Huberdeau. It was also said on one broadcast that after 20 games Yakupov was a minus 10. Before his late season streak he was still minus 10 which means the last half of the season he was an even/plus player when the Oilers were losing most of their games.

You can argue that others like Brodin or Muzzin should also have been on the list, even ahead of Yakupov, but at least one of them should be on that list ahead of Huberdeau.

bubbsy · 05-06-2013, 12:30 PM

i think somewhere on twitter someone mentioned that 1/3 of yakupov's goals were in the last few games of the year (read: who cares)

Oil Stain · 05-06-2013, 12:35 PM

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Late season points in meaningless games can't be used against Yakupov and not against Huberdeau. Huberdeau was playing in far more meaningless games than Yakupov was. Yakupov had a better plus/minus and scored the same amount of points (with 2 mins less per game) than Huberdeau. It was also said on one broadcast that after 20 games Yakupov was a minus 10. Before his late season streak he was still minus 10 which means the last half of the season he was an even/plus player when the Oilers were losing most of their games.

You can argue that others like Brodin or Muzzin should also have been on the list, even ahead of Yakupov, but at least one of them should be on that list ahead of Huberdeau.

Huberdeau likely also benefited from the Florida Effect. No one watches their games so any time a player puts up good point totals, everyone assumes they are amazing. It played in Luongo's favour and also Bouwmeester. People were saying Bouwmeester was almost Norris calibre when he was in Florida.

Players playing in big/important markets face a lot more scrutiny.

Brodin probably should have been in the top three over Huberdeau/Yakupov anyway.

I think it's ######ed that the NHL awards are chosen by media. A lot of these guys know very little about hockey. I'm not sure why the vote isn't done by a combination of GMs, coaches, and pro scouts. It would bring way more legitimacy.

getbak · 05-06-2013, 12:36 PM

Interesting series of Tweets from Bob McKenzie:

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Three Calder finalists are Gallagher (MTL), Huberdeau (FLA) and Saad (CHI). My No. 1 pick, Brodin (MIN), didn't make top 3. Oh well...

Many seem to be making case for Eastern bias but rookie voting this year more of mixed bag because of no singularly dominant performance.

Gallagher, Huberdeau, Saad all legit. So are Brodin, Yakupov (EDM) and Brenden Dillon (DAL), amongst others. Latter 3 on my ballot of 5.

Based on that, McKenzie didn't even have one of the final three on his ballot.

Enoch Root · 05-06-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Huberdeau likely also benefited from the Florida Effect. No one watches their games so any time a player puts up good point totals, everyone assumes they are amazing. It played in Luongo's favour and also Bouwmeester. People were saying Bouwmeester was almost Norris calibre when he was in Florida.

Players playing in big/important markets face a lot more scrutiny.

Brodin probably should have been in the top three over Huberdeau/Yakupov anyway.

I think it's ######ed that the NHL awards are chosen by media. A lot of these guys know very little about hockey. I'm not sure why the vote isn't done by a combination of GMs, coaches, and pro scouts. It would bring way more legitimacy.

This is pretty funny because I am guessing from your comments that you didn't see him much either.

I had him in a pool this year so - for that reason alone - I watched a lot more of the Florida games than I would normally have. And I see the majority of Oiler games.

From my observation, Huberdeau played far more important minutes, and garnered substantially more attention from the opposition, than Yakupov did.

TurdFerguson · 05-06-2013, 02:10 PM

I watched a lot of FLA games this season and Huberdeau was a player leaned on heavily for a rookie, especially with there injuries. While there point totals are close, I wouldn't hesitate to say that Huberdeau had a better season then Yakupov (I don't have a horse in this race, for what its worth). Yakupov had very good numbers but his overall impact on games was not as meaningful (that is a hard thing to defend...but its the feeling i have). That said, as the rest of the hockey community has pointed out today, Brodin not being a finalist is a joke! For me, Brodin was clearly the best rookie this season and it's to bad he wont get Calder recognition for his efforts.

Exciting for the NHL to have the crop of kids that stepped into the league this season, that's for sure!