Armed revolution may be necessary? - US poll

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by GGG

The crazy thing is that 27% of independants and 18% of democrats believe it. Thats nuts. Even in the moderate party 1 in 5 think revolution will be necceessary

Crazification factor:

http://kfmonkey.blogspot.ca/2005/10/...ification.html

[CaptainCrunch]

A little Revolution now and then is a good thing

[bizaro86]

It's in the DNA of the country. Thomas Jefferson had this to say

And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

It's in the DNA of the country. Thomas Jefferson had this to say

And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

I believe Mao had the same philosophy and the Red Guards and the Cultural Revolution was the result. This has been shown to be a crazy idea in practise.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I'd say that if Barack Obama was John Williams, white guy from Omaha, Nebraska, and not Barack Obama, black guy from KENYA, things would be going completely differently.

Just to throw fuel on the fire... : )

[missdpuck]

Oh this again. I've been hearing we're on the verge of an armed rebellion as far back as I can remember.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Ok, and that changes this being racism how? Almost a nice deflect, but not plainly relevant. Also the 9/11 truthers represent a much smaller and less vocal group than the Birthers. Not even close. If you can tell me how many Presidential candidates believe in 9/11 conspiracies, I'd like to know, because several of the Republicans who just ran are birthers.

Since we can't possibly know how this would go if Barack was a white guy from the heartland, its all kind of moot. People will believe what they'd like.

All you can say from this survey is that a certain percentage of 863 Americans are racist. Nothing else. Your intuitive guesses mean nothing as to the actual state of race politics in America. Your viewing, and interpretation of the American media, and what they choose to portray is also meaningless.

As I said, nothing is of use in this survey unless you are unconsciously using it to support biases that you already hold.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by peter12

All you can say from this survey is that a certain percentage of 863 Americans are racist. Nothing else. Your intuitive guesses mean nothing as to the actual state of race politics in America. Your viewing, and interpretation of the American media, and what they choose to portray is also meaningless.

As I said, nothing is of use in this survey unless you are unconsciously using it to support biases that you already hold.

The survey says nothing about race. It's about an armed revolt in the United States. Perhaps you are unconsciously using it to support biases that you already hold?

I know the thread shifted to race and you're not the only one, but singling you out specifically should put the train back on the tracks. I don't mean anything personal.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by peter12

Sample size is 863. You can say literally anything with a sample size that small. Discard and move on.

That's not how statistics work. Even though it's a tiny fraction of the US population that was polled, the margin of error is +/- 3.4%.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I believe Mao had the same philosophy and the Red Guards and the Cultural Revolution was the result. This has been shown to be a crazy idea in practise.

I'm not saying that's a good idea, just that its culturally ingrained.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by SebC

That's not how statistics work. Even though it's a tiny fraction of the US population that was polled, the margin of error is +/- 3.4%.

No, it actually is how statistics work. Small samples tend to show radical generalizations in any direction depending on who/when/how you sample.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by peter12

No, it actually is how statistics work. Small samples tend to show radical generalizations in any direction depending on who/when/how you sample.

No more than is indicated by the margin of error. 863 is small relative to other polls, but it's big enough to be a reasonable approximation of the general population.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by missdpuck

Oh this again. I've been hearing we're on the verge of an armed rebellion as far back as I can remember.

yup, the left was bitching and moaning when Bush was in office and he was the war criminal then just like Obama is the war criminal now.

The only difference is that media is so split now, Fox cant say a word because the GOP is balls deep in their mouth

CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, is too busy talking about Jayz going to cuba or having nancy grace on trying to convict someone before they go to trial.

i'm sure when a republican gets voted in the next three years it will be the opposite way around.

But hey the most transparent administration is awfully dark and sneaky especially from the man that was going to "unite the county" instead of being the great divider

[To Be Quite Honest]

I'm one more seat belt ticket from bearing arms!

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by PIMking

yup, the left was bitching and moaning when Bush was in office and he was the war criminal then just like Obama is the war criminal now.

The only difference is that media is so split now, Fox cant say a word because the GOP is balls deep in their mouth

CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, is too busy talking about Jayz going to cuba or having nancy grace on trying to convict someone before they go to trial.

i'm sure when a republican gets voted in the next three years it will be the opposite way around.

But hey the most transparent administration is awfully dark and sneaky especially from the man that was going to "unite the county" instead of being the great divider

Uhhh wut?

[puckluck2]

So I guess the guy who got the seatbelt ticket is definitely not in favor of an armed revolution.

[missdpuck]

There were rumors of armed revolt if Obama didn't win.
Also, there were reports from African-American Romney supporters having their cars keyed, property destroyed etc. I don't know how much of that happened acrossthe country but locally it was a problem. It didn't get much press.

Anything south of Orlando is not "the South". It is South New York. Or North Cuba.

In the course of delivering mail I talk to all kinds of people. When they talk politics, I tell them I am an independent willing to listen to both sides, and that is true. Soooo many people admit that they are actually afraid to speak out against Obama. Of course, that's not a scientific sample , but it's odd. Maybe some are Birthers or whatever. Most just feel like they have no idea what's really going on, and have no trustworthy way of finding out. Republican-generated hysteria? I don't know.

As I said, I'm Independent and can only speak of what I saw and experienced locally. The Obama supporters were far more hostile, frightening and threatening than any bunch of Republicans I saw.

[CaptainCrunch]

Cartman: Dear you guys. Words cannot express how much I hate you guys. As we fight our way northward into the great unknown, only that one thing remains certain: that I hate you guys with every tired muscle in my confederate body. We have taken Topeka and I must rally the men onward to Missouri. Because I will not stop until we have won it all, and you guys are my slaves. Because I hate you guys. I hate you guys so very very much. Yours, General Cartman Lee.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by SebC

No more than is indicated by the margin of error. 863 is small relative to other polls, but it's big enough to be a reasonable approximation of the general population.

Actually if the confidence interval is 3.4, then you'd need a poll of over 1500 people to have a 99% approximation for a population of 311,000,000.

Though, in practice, to get a truly relevant polling in any given situation, the magic number is 5% of the population.

[DuffMan]

Actually this makes total sense.

What was the first armed revolution all about? The federal government wanting to unjustly, take their slaves away, thar took ar slarves. Now the same evil govt want to take their guns, so I can totally see a justified armed revolution in the future.