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Old 04-30-2013, 12:41 AM   #21
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I would love to see Iggy win the Cup, but I do not want it to be a cakewalk for the Pens.

I want to see Iggy (and the Pens) pay the price, deal with adversity (OT losses, bad officiating, etc etc).

If Iggy is going to win it, I want to see him earn it.
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Old 04-30-2013, 01:24 AM   #22
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It feels weird for me to care as little as I do about Iginla playing with the Pens now. First time he suited up in a Pens uniform I watched the whole game. Now? I kind of forget that he's even there.

That's not a shot at Iggy, he's one of my favorite players of all time, but I guess it's just a reminder how much I've moved on already. I would have no problem seeing the Isles take that series.
Agreed, same here. Good for him, good for us. He gets to be on a contender like he should be, we get to rebuild like we should be. Really sad to see him go at first, but I've come to accept it. The trade should have happened 2-3 years ago.
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:02 AM   #23
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Really don't understand this attitude. Either you're rooting for the guy or you're not.

So when the trade first happened it was a 2-day fad for you?

And now you're so indifferent you had to pipe in within 60 seconds to make sure everyone's aware you don't really care?

Cool story.
Can't speak for Nik but how I feel about it is after the shock of Iggy not wearing the Flaming C on his jersey anymore settled down a few days after the trade I was able to come to terms with the fact that he was not in fact bigger than the Flames as I had honestly suspected he had become for me. The team moved on and so have I in a sense.

This does not mean I do not want to see him lift the cup before he retires, I would be happy to see him win it. What it means for me is that since I despise the Pens with every fiber of my being, I will not be cheering for them, if it happens, well nobody deserves it more than him. I won't go out of my way to watch whatever team he winds up on unless I would be watching the game regardless of if Iggy was on the team. I won't get excited and nervous like I do when the Flames play meaningful hockey. I hope he gets it but it's pretty low on my "care meter" compared to anything to do with the Flames.

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It feels weird for me to care as little as I do about Iginla playing with the Pens now. First time he suited up in a Pens uniform I watched the whole game. Now? I kind of forget that he's even there.

That's not a shot at Iggy, he's one of my favorite players of all time, but I guess it's just a reminder how much I've moved on already. I would have no problem seeing the Isles take that series.
Pretty much exactly how I feel about it, combined with the fact that I hate the Pens. Honestly before this thread I don't think "Iggy" crossed my mind in the past two weeks.

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Old 04-30-2013, 02:05 AM   #24
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Put any of those ten coaches he had here behind the current Pen's bench and I bet they all would have similar results as Bylsma.
I doubt it, I remember watching the Pens Capitals 24/7 documentary deal, and I was really impressed by how Bylsma approached games verses Boudreaus style. And both coaches had pretty stellar lineups. Two pretty contrasting styles before during and after games.

Makes me wonder where guys like Keenan, Sutter and Playfair all fell.
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:25 AM   #25
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It's definitely a chicken and egg argument, and both sides contribute to the other. And they'll spiral with each other too, up or down, possible making a average coach look amazing, and making a good coach look bad.

But I do think Bylsma is one of the top coaches. And as ma-skis says, it's not just his record, I think I saw this on 24/7 too.

The same argument was often used with Bowman. But I would argue that he was a great coach too.
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:36 AM   #26
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^ Did you just present the statement of Bowman being a great coach as some sort of argument?

In that case, I may argue that the sky is blue.
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:38 AM   #27
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^ Did you just present the statement of Bowman being a great coach as some sort of argument?
I've heard it before, even on this board. Maybe not a large following, but people have used this success argument for coaches wins, goalie wins, etc.

It's not an entirely unpopular argument and can be applied to anyone actually.
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:13 AM   #28
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Maximize our picks! I want the Pens to lose, I want St. Louis to lose, and I want everyone below St. Louis to win. If TOR, OTT, NYI, MIN, DET, LAK win in round 1, we get picks #17 and #22. STL - PIT final, #29 and #30. Huge difference.

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Maximize our picks! I want the Pens to lose, I want St. Louis to lose, and I want everyone below St. Louis to win. If TOR, OTT, NYI, MIN, DET, LAK win in round 1, we get picks #17 and #22. STL - PEN final, #29 and #30. Huge difference.
This. Sorry Iggy, but you gotta go down.
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Right, I guess we were just missing a coach like Bylsma all those years in Calgary
It certainly wouldn't have hurt.
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Old 04-30-2013, 07:40 AM   #31
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Good for Iginla. Treading water for 16 years with a boat anchor tied to your ankle must have been exhausting. I hope Kipper changes his mind about retirement and joins a contender next year to have a chance to win a Cup (and the Flames can get something for him too).
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I didn't think it would matter to me but it does, I want Iginla to win the cup in Pittsburgh. I think he deserves it, and I think it will be awesome to hear him thank his old Calgary teammates afterward ala Ferrence.

I know we will get the 30th pick because of it but I don't care.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:54 AM   #33
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Matt Niskanen is in awe of Jarome Iginla.
"The first morning he got here, I looked across the room and it was like, 'Holy hell, that's Jarome Iginla,' " Niskanen, the Pittsburgh Penguins' 26-year old defenseman, told NHL.com. "I've skated with Sid [Crosby] and Geno [Evgeni Malkin] for a while, but I don't know, he's been around for so long and been so good for so long that it took a little adjustment. I don't think I'm used to it yet. He's a legend."

He's appreciated by some. Go Pens Go! Go Iggy Go!
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:54 AM   #34
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I won't read too much into Iginla's comments about Bylsma's system being different. Iginla is probably just being diplomatic. Besides, different doesn't mean better. I'm sure Guy Boucher's system in Tampa was different. Keep in mind that Bylsma won the Cup when he took over the team a third into the season. Since then he's had a 2nd round exit and two 1st round exits. There are some great coaches out there who are more old school than innovative. I mean is there anyone who praises Darryl's system?
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:07 AM   #35
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This makes you wonder if Iginla had decided to give up the C to another Flames and not wear the A, would this team have been any different?
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:11 AM   #36
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Great for iggy, he deserves a shot at the cup

He's played on a Flames team carrying the team on his back for so many years. It's about time he has somebody else to take on those responsibilities so he can just go out there and have fun again.
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:16 AM   #37
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Meh. If he wins, I'll be happy for him, if he loses I'll be happy for the Flames.

Frankly, I thought I'd really want him to win a cup, but Iggy with a cup that doesn't belong to the Calgary Flames will just feel like any other non-flame player winning it.
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:21 AM   #38
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Meh. If he wins, I'll be happy for him, if he loses I'll be happy for the Flames.

Frankly, I thought I'd really want him to win a cup, but Iggy with a cup that doesn't belong to the Calgary Flames will just feel like any other non-flame player winning it.
Kind of contradicting yourself there. You'll be happy if he wins it but if he does it'll feel like any other player winning it?
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:28 AM   #39
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Well then, thanks Iggy for making Calgary, it's previous coaches and previous teams, sound like a trash pile compared to your new home of 1 month. One thing that always irked me was his willingness to sugar coat and please whomever he was presently surrounded by. He could have easily pointed out all the great things about his current team and organization without contrasting it with Calgary.

Good to see your heart belongs on a winning team.. Nothin' against ya though, good luck.

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Old 04-30-2013, 11:31 AM   #40
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In a lot of ways everything he says is a dig at the Flames. Sometimes in a good and bad way.

"Getting used to different things."

Things didnt change around here either because Iggy didnt want them to or because he didnt actively attempt to change things.

I'm coming to the feeling that a big problem with the Calgary Flames was Jarome Iginla. And maybe not actively, and it may not have been his fault, but its there none the less.

Things didnt change around here because people were too passive about upsetting Iggy, or systems didnt change because Iggy didnt want to adapt, players came in and went out because Iggy wanted it.

Iggy became bigger than the Calgary Flames and everyone suffered because of it.

Again, this may not have been his fault, I sincerely doubt most of it was, but it still happened.
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