04-21-2013, 07:05 AM
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Amazingly bad footwork and a complete inability to anticipate the play. Terrible dman and one of the worst decisions made by Feaster to give this guy any contract.
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04-21-2013, 07:16 AM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Originally Posted by FAN
That's not indicative at all. Don't confuse bad team defense with a bad defensive group. Bouwmeester, Giordano, Wideman, and Brodie were a respectable top 4 group. After that, it's pretty much a coach's decision. A different coach might bench Butler and Smith for Sarich and Babchuk.
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I'm not. Our defensive group is not very good, and our top 4 posted numbers that were far from respectable. And no, I don't think you can put it all on the goalies and forwards.
While a different coach might have had different preferences, that's always the situation with borderline players. Babchuk did nothing to earn playtime over the stellar trio of Smith, Sarich and Butler.
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Furthermore, Babchuk has received slightly over 3 minutes of total PP time this year. Only reason Babchuk is in the NHL is because of his ability to produce on the PP and if you don't put him on the PP it's only natural that his weaknesses outweigh his strengths.
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That is true, but I can't see our PP being much better than it was last season, so there was little need for him on the PP. In Hartleys opinion the marginal improvement we might have gotten from putting Babchuk on the PP was not worth the risk he brought to our own end, and I see no fault in that logic.
It sucks for Babchuk, and yes, in some other team he might have seen more icetime. However, that is just further indication that he is a borderline player; not bad enough to be right out, not good enough to be right in.
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04-21-2013, 07:21 AM
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#23
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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Give him all the ice time he wants in the next four games.
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04-21-2013, 07:31 AM
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#24
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Damn onions....
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04-21-2013, 10:05 AM
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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For a guy like Babchuk, there probably is a better living to be made in the KHL. Although a guy that slow on the bigger ice...maybe theres a reason he was only getting one year deals over there.
Was never a fan of that White/Babchuk deal when it happened. I would have rather seen White dealt for picks as at least it gives you a chance to find something useful, whereas Kosto and Babchuk were what they were. But that was the team's perogative at the time.
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04-21-2013, 10:11 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by FAN
The guy IS an NHL defenseman and has been for some years. Just because he is not good enough to be a top 4 defenseman and too inconsistent to stay in the lineup on a regular basis doesn't mean he's not an NHL defenseman. As disappointing as he has been, he pretty much came as advertised. He's a PP specialist simply because he has a good shot. He's a big defenseman with good offensive skills and a booming shot. That's pretty much it. He can be an offensive producer but he's a defensive liability, streaky, and inconsistent in his efforts so he is going to sit from time to time. He needs to play sheltered minutes and be on the PP, but the Flames don't have the luxury. I still think he can be a 5th defenseman in the NHL and definitely a 6th/7th defenseman who can come into the lineup and play on the 2nd PP and offer an offensive element, but Babchuk won't be happy with that because he thinks he's better than that. Babchuk should be used like Marc-Andre Bergeron. It's a mistake for Feaster to think that Babchuk would suddenly mature into a top 4 defenseman.
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MAB is small but can skate. Defenseman that can skate will always have a place but if you can't skate your aren't going to be a regular in the league. He's not an NHL defenseman and I find is funny that some actually defend this guy. I will say I commend him for never raising a stink over the past couple of years but this isn't a story of two coaches that didn't like the guy it's the story of two NHL coaches that probably can't believe this guy is even on the roster and gave him a permanent seat in the press box.
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04-21-2013, 10:27 AM
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#27
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Yoho
Give him all the ice time he wants in the next four games.
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why?
I'd rather the flames give the last guy on the D depth chart in the entire organization the ice time, just to see what we've got, than to give icetime to a guy we all know isn't here next year.
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04-21-2013, 10:29 AM
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#28
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Originally Posted by bubbsy
why?
I'd rather the flames give the last guy on the D depth chart in the entire organization the ice time, just to see what we've got, than to give icetime to a guy we all know isn't here next year.
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Because if we are going to be a bottom 4 team in the league, I think he could be a key ingredient over players that are hungry and fighting for jobs.
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04-21-2013, 10:33 AM
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#29
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Yoho
Because if we are going to be a bottom 4 team in the league, I think he could be a key ingredient over players that are hungry and fighting for jobs.
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haha good point. Wish tanguay was back in the lineup for the same reason. We need our crappy vets continuing their garbage play to get think tank job rite.
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04-21-2013, 10:44 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Fort McMurray, AB
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I guess I feel kind of bad for him but I know that we can find a whole lot better way to spend that two and a half million next year.
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04-21-2013, 11:29 AM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Sakari
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Yeah I'll wait until someone with credibility to report this. But at the same time, saying this is like me predicting the sun will rise tomorrow.
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04-21-2013, 11:44 AM
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#32
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Franchise Player
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Honestly, I'm hoping Babbers plays top minutes for the remainder of the season
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04-21-2013, 11:57 AM
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#33
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Halifax
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Originally Posted by Sakari
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LOL. The number of FB likes makes it credible? Everything on their timeline is actual announcements or news which they probably took from NHL.com, the only rumour on there is the Babchuk one, so who knows if its credible.
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04-21-2013, 12:42 PM
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#34
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Calgary
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Babchuk goals were my favorite. I am disappoint.
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04-21-2013, 01:57 PM
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#35
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Bankview
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How bad is the KHL to want this guy on their team?
He should be selling meat at a butcher in Prague.
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04-21-2013, 02:32 PM
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#36
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Sakari
He's not been good enough to be in the lineup full time. He was ruined by Sutter. But so was Bouwmeester. Difference is, Bouwmeester turned his game around.
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Babchuk wasn't ruined by Sutter, he's just not very good. He's got that bomb from the point but was never the type to join the rush and is a mediocre defenceman.
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