What is Wrong with People

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

she wants them to face actual justice, not mob justice.

Its admirable in a lot of ways.

Didn't the incident occur 2 years prior? In the article it mentioned that police reviewed the file 6 months ago and were not likely to lay charges.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

she wants them to face actual justice, not mob justice.

Its admirable in a lot of ways.

Well if we're to assume they were all under age at the time of the rape, what sort of "actual justice" will they actually face? And now that two full years has passed since the incident, it's just going to be that much harder to prove their guilt.

I guess those pictures should help in this case, but they still haven't been charged after 2 years, so really what sort of punishment can they face?

[Peanut]

This whole thing is just so sad. Awful.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Well if we're to assume they were all under age at the time of the rape, what sort of "actual justice" will they actually face? And now that two full years has passed since the incident, it's just going to be that much harder to prove their guilt.

I guess those pictures should help in this case, but they still haven't been charged after 2 years, so really what sort of punishment can they face?

Granted, but there seems to be a wall of silence with these type of investigations, hopefully a little media pressure will give everyone the understanding and possible closure required.

But I'm really suspicious when people take pictures of an act like this and publish it on the web, especially when the victim is 15

[Devils'Advocate]

I don't want anonymous to identify the 4 boys.

I want anonymous to identify the harassers that were texting her. Who the F harasses and bullies a rape victim?!?!

And all these media reports are about getting justice against these boys. Why is there so little of the outrage against those that tormented her over the last two years?

From the mother's facebook page:

"Rehtaeh is gone today because of The four boys that thought that raping a 15yr old girl was OK and to distribute a photo to ruin her spirit and reputation would be fun. Secondly, All the bullying and messaging and harassment that never let up are also to blame. Lastly, the justice system failed her. Those are the people that took the life of my beautiful girl. Rehtaeh stood up for others, showed compassion to animals and people. She was an amazing artist .She made my life complete. When Rehtaeh was born I dedicated everything to her and promised her the world. Others in this world took that away from her."

Well, the justice system failing rape victims is nothing new. Only 7% of REPORTED rapes end in convictions. According to US Justice Department studies and surveys, 97% of rapists never see a day in jail. So that these 4 boys were let go really doesn't surprise me any. Rapists getting away with rape is as surprising as snow in winter.

And that boys think they can be brazen enough to commit the crime and then put pictures up on the internet... well, when you take the low conviction rate and combine that with the "untouchable" feeling that young offenders already have, I'm not all that surprised either.

What really makes me want to, as someone bluntly put it above, "drop out of the human race" is how other students went after the VICTIM to torment rather than the PERPETRATORS. To me that's the new element. Rape victims have enough emotional scarring to deal with ... to have to deal with a school full of tormentors as well is just AUUUGHHHGHGH!!!! If I had hair, I'd be pulling it out.

[Dion]

Rehtaeh Parsons Was My Daughter

Rehtaeh died April 7th at 11:15 PM. She was 17 years old.

She died struggling to live, much as she spent the last 18 months. She hung on right to the very end, when the nurses were telling us if she couldn't be declared brain dead soon they couldn't use her as an organ donor. We couldn't wait any longer. She couldn't live any longer. And right at the last moment there was a change in her blood pressure as the last part of her brain gave away. She knew she had to leave. It was time to let go and find peace.

It was so like her to hang on right up until the very last second. To give us all a chance to hold her hand, wipe her tears away, and kiss her beautiful face for the last time.

I tried my best to save my daughter's life. I believe that in my heart.

I asked her repeatedly what I could do, was I doing enough, what did she want from me? She said she just wanted me to be her dad. To make her laugh. To do everything possible to keep a part of her life normal. She said it helped more than I could ever know.

I prayed for the best while I prepared her for the worst. We went to counseling together. Sometimes I was the drive, sometimes the father, sometimes the counselor.

The worst nightmare of my life has just begun. I loved my beautiful baby with all my heart. She meant everything to me. I felt her heart beating in my soul from the moment she was born until the moment she died. We were a team. We were best pals. We often sat on my couch and laughed until we could hardly speak. When we weren't together she would call me or text me every single day, just to say hi, to say she loved me. The life I had with my daughter was a rare thing. It was wonderful, it consumed me. I was defined by it. It made my life rich and beautiful. She was amazing.

Yesterday I looked at another wooden box. It will hold her ashes. I hate it.

I had to write something about this. I don't want her life to defined by a Google search about suicide or death or rape. I want it to be about the giving heart she had. Her smile. Her love of life and the beautiful way in which she lived it.

I found out this afternoon my daughter saved the life of a young woman with her heart. How fitting.

She also gave someone a new liver, a kidney, a new breath, and a new chance to love. She saved the lives of four people with her final gift of life. She was that wonderful.

Someone out there is going to look at the world with my daughter's eyes. The most beautiful eyes

I have ever seen.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/glen-ca...b_3056888.html

[TurnedTheCorner]

People are inherently bad.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Not really. She's a mother who just lost a daughter; she doesn't want to have another family go through potentially losing a son.

I'm sure she would like to see justice done, but without things getting carried away.

Really if she was out there screaming for the boys heads on platters; she would be no different than the online bullies who drove her daughter to her end.

I can't say I'd react the same way and i'm being honest here. She has every righ to be angry with the justice system that failed the family and the cyber bullies and rapists that have gotten off scott free. It takes great strength to control your anger is situations like this and i'm not sure I could.

[CaptainCrunch]

To me after reading about the victim, and that whole family are victims as well, the first thought in my head is still "F$$k the wrong person is dead. Its wrong to wish the rapists and the cyberbullies ill will. But to be honest these people deserve nothing but contempt. Maybe there's a reason to forgive them in the end, but these cyberbullies who sit at home behind a computer laughing at how clever they are, maybe some of the sicker ones fist pumping when they heard about her death are subhumans.

Its always tragic when a parent outlives her child, its even worse in this situation where their daughter chose to take her life rather then facing what she probably thought was a lifetime of torment.

I don't know enough about the investigation to know about the original rape and the circumstances around that. But this is the second time in a short period of time where we saw a story about a bunch of scumbags attacking and raping a young girl and taking pictures of it to post on the internet.

I was sickened in the last case of the high school football players, and the court official tearfully embracing one of the rapists, and the father of a rapist railing about the unfairness of the justice system. Sexual crimes and especially violent ones like these are in my mind inexcusable, I don't care about your upbringing, or your drug problem or your drinking problem, I don't care that you were molested as a child, two wrongs clearly don't make a right and if this is how you lash out in society, then honestly you're too dangerous to be in society. It shouldn't matter if your under the age of 18 at all. Rape and other violent sexual crimes has to be in biblical terms one of the deadliest sins. Until there is 100% certainty that you can't or won't commit that type of crime again you shouldn't see the light of freedom, the justice system should be taking no chances of a similar crime taking place.

As far as the Cyber bullies, I'm all for public shaming. I would even be all for a similar type of punishment as a sex offender where you have to go to every house in the neighbor hood and introduce yourself as a cyberbully who killed a girl through your actions. Personally the lash is too good for them. Maybe we need to do a better job of publically exposing them. Maybe they need to be forced to go and dig the girl's grave and stand in front of her family and explain their action.. They should be forced to stand up in front of their schools or the workplace and admit what they did and try to explain why they did it. The whole thing is sickening. The parents of the bullies should be ashamed of the way they raised these pigs. These people need to be punished in a way that's an example for all, and maybe feel some level of hatred and loathing that they exposed their victim too.

The whole thing is repulsive.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Man. I wish i never opened this thread. Horrible.

[Mr.Coffee]

Just had a baby girl 4 months ago. That letter from the dad is the worst thing I may have ever read. Honestly I don't even know what to say. Heart wrenching.

[Dion]

A part of me really hopes Anonymous follows through on their threat and posts the names of the 4 pukes. Maybe some fear and intimidation will help them to confess to their crimes and be accountable for their actions.

[Daradon]

Does anyone really fear Anon anymore? Far too much posturing lately. Not a whole lot backed up.

[Ducay]

I'm sorry, but there is a lot of moral grandstanding here. I get its sad and whatnot, but if there wasn't enough to pursue charges against the 4, then there wasn't enough to pursue charges against the 4. Not much anyone else could have done, its not like there is an endless amount of police and crown prosecution time available to go after every case even if there is insufficient evidence. Hindsight is a luxury.

We've all convicted and tried these 4 kids without a shred of evidence or a day in court, and already you want them to hang?

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Ducay

I'm sorry, but there is a lot of moral grandstanding here. I get its sad and whatnot, but if there wasn't enough to pursue charges against the 4, then there wasn't enough to pursue charges against the 4. Not much anyone else could have done, its not like there is an endless amount of police and crown prosecution time available to go after every case even if there is insufficient evidence. Hindsight is a luxury.

We've all convicted and tried these 4 kids without a shred of evidence or a day in court, and already you want them to hang?

The pictures are pretty solid evidence in my books.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

The pictures are pretty solid evidence in my books.

You've seen them? How do they prove all who was there, the circumstances leading up to it, the actual incident, any consent, or the mental state of the individuals?

They probably prove the people were there and engaged in some sort of act, but doesn't really "prove" anything criminally. They'd be one piece of evidence in a long list of things that would be needed to prove guilt, etc.

I'm not trying to argue in favour of them, but you guys have all rushed to burning them at the stake before they've been tried.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

The pictures are pretty solid evidence in my books.

If the pictures were enough to make a case a case would be made, unless you're alleging that the police simply ignored evidence (which is possible but I haven't seen anything that lends any credibility to that argument).

Like I said before, where is the evidence to essentially publicly convict anyone? The Steubenville case featured heaps of smoking gun evidence, up to and including witness statements and admissions, and involved a police force that appeared to be quite clearly willing to look the other way. Is any of that present here?

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Ducay

I'm not trying to argue in favour of them, but you guys have all rushed to burning them at the stake before they've been tried.

I haven't rushed to anything. The article said that they have pictures of her being raped. The pictures were then sent out by the boys that did it. I'm not going to search them out or anything to see if I can identify the kids but I'd say it is pretty hard evidence if anonymous can get the names of the accused in two hours.

You said there was accusations being made without a shred of evidence and that's what I was disputing.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

I haven't rushed to anything. The article said that they have pictures of her being raped. The pictures were then sent out by the boys that did it. I'm not going to search them out or anything to see if I can identify the kids but I'd say it is pretty hard evidence if anonymous can get the names of the accused in two hours.

You said there was accusations being made without a shred of evidence and that's what I was disputing.

Again, if the pictures show a rape in progress they would be sufficient evidence to sustain a charge. The fact that charges have not been brought means one of two things, either the pictures do not show anything that will support the charge, or that the police failed to investigate. Are you asserting the latter to be true? If so, based upon what?

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by valo403

Again, if the pictures show a rape in progress they would be sufficient evidence to sustain a charge. The fact that charges have not been brought means one of two things, either the pictures do not show anything that will support the charge, or that the police failed to investigate. Are you asserting the latter to be true? If so, based upon what?

Not sure, the pictures came out a couple years later. No idea about the details of the investigation. Again, just stating that there are shreds of evidence if an anonymous group found the rapists names within two hours. And as for the fact that charges have not been brought, re-read Devils Advocate's post.