So if I'm reading that article correctly, the CPC seem concerned with votes from the Chinese who eat shark fin soup?
Either this isn't the same party I voted for, or I'm losing my right leaning tendencies and coming to realize I don't have much in common with the conservatives anymore.
And it's obscure little things like this that lead me to believe it's the latter.
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Federal politics is strangely mirroring our provincial politics...
I was naive when I grew up and my grandpa's brother would say all politicians are crooks, and I didn't believe him with my fan fare for Joe Clark. But now, on both levels of government, I really can't support anyone, my apathy is at an all time high.
Do you not vote? Seems to be the excuse other people use which I generally pass of as just that - an excuse for being lazy.
I don't like any of them, they all seem to be a different shade of corrupt. When one gets in the rest scream and holler about how awful they are and do everything they can to kill the process and #### the country.
I don't vote because none of them are worth my time.
So if I'm reading that article correctly, the CPC seem concerned with votes from the Chinese who eat shark fin soup?
Either this isn't the same party I voted for, or I'm losing my right leaning tendencies and coming to realize I don't have much in common with the conservatives anymore.
And it's obscure little things like this that lead me to believe it's the latter.
I imagine there are some Chinese Canadians who want nothing more than to be disassociated with the whole practice.
There was another thread about this issue, and I think it was Bertuzzied who was the one most against it, and I believe he is of Chinese heritage.
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So if I'm reading that article correctly, the CPC seem concerned with votes from the Chinese who eat shark fin soup?
Either this isn't the same party I voted for, or I'm losing my right leaning tendencies and coming to realize I don't have much in common with the conservatives anymore.
And it's obscure little things like this that lead me to believe it's the latter.
I feel the same way. I would probably still vote PC if we had a Federal election tommorow but in 3-4 years I am guessing that could change. There seems to be more and more stuff I am disagreeing with the Cons on, and have already switched to voting Liberal on the provinical level - so I am getting used to the idea.
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It's nothing more than shameless pandering to a special interest group. An overwhelming majority (81% of Canadians) supports a ban on shark fin imports. One demographic group, older Chinese immigrants, tends to oppose a shark fin ban. The Conservatives have identified appealing to ethnic minorities as important to their election chances, so they voted against what should have been a "no-brainer" decision.
Hurray for putting politics ahead of doing the right thing. :/
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So they're going the Christy Clark route and trying hard to appeal to minorities? Seems to be working wonders for her, what with her likely to lose the next election by 20+ points...
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Is there a link anywhere to read the full text of the bill?
I just wanted to see if this bill only included Shark Fins. If so it should be a relatively small PDF to download and read.
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BILL C-380
An Act to amend the Fish Inspection Act and the Fisheries Act (importation of shark fins)
Preamble
Whereas in 1994 the Canadian Government banned shark finning — namely, the practice of removing the fins from sharks and discarding the remainder of the sharks while at sea — in Canadian fisheries waters and with respect to Canadian licensed vessels fishing outside of Canada’s exclusive economic zone;
Whereas Canadians are increasingly aware of the devastating effect of the continuing practice of shark finning and the resulting decline in shark species in Canadian waters and around the world and support measures to stop this practice and to ensure the responsible conservation, management and exploitation of sharks;
And whereas the importation of shark fins is not supportable in the face of the dramatic decline in shark species;
Now, therefore, Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate and House of Commons of Canada, enacts as follows:
SHORT TITLE
Short title
1. This Act may be cited as the Ban on Shark Fin Importation Act.
R.S., c. F-12
FISH INSPECTION ACT
2. The Fish Inspection Act is amended by adding the following after section 3:
Prohibition
3.1 (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), it is prohibited to import or attempt to import shark fins that are not attached to the rest of the shark carcass.
Exception
(2) A person may import shark fins that are not attached to the rest of the shark carcass only if the Minister has issued a permit to that person authorizing such an importation.
Conditions for issuing permit
(3) The permit referred to in subsection (2) may be issued only if the Minister is of the opinion that
(a) the importation supports scientific research relating to shark conservation and conducted by qualified persons; and
(b) the activity benefits the survival of the shark species or is required to enhance their chance of survival in the wild.
Regulations
(4) The Minister may, after consultation with the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, make regulations respecting the issuance of the permit referred to in subsection (2) and the renewal, revocation, amendment and suspension of such a permit.
R.S., c. F-14
FISHERIES ACT
3. The Fisheries Act is amended by adding the following after section 32:
Prohibition
32.1 (1) No person shall engage in the prac-tice of shark finning.
Definition of “shark finning”
(2) In this section, “shark finning” means the practice of removing the fins from sharks and discarding the remainder of the sharks while still at sea.
It's not the Government's place to tell its citizens what they can or can not eat. Government should keep the lights on, provide safety and protection, make sure the bills are paid, and make sure our international interests attended to.
Let me worry about how I want to live my life, and whether or not I want to stuff a shark fin in my gullet.
That's what a Conservative government is all about. Do we really need our government to tell us it's wrong to eat shark fins? I'm a smart guy. My morals are pretty decent. I have the ability to decide this kind of stuff for myself. The less things we allow to be governed on our behalf, the freer we are. That's the difference between a Conservative and Liberal government. Liberals want to govern everything, while Conservatives just want to govern the things that need to be governed on our behalf, and let us govern everything else for ourselves.
It's not the Government's place to tell its citizens what they can or can not eat. Government should keep the lights on, provide safety and protection, make sure the bills are paid, and make sure our international interests attended to.
Let me worry about how I want to live my life, and whether or not I want to stuff a shark fin in my gullet.
That's what a Conservative government is all about. Do we really need our government to tell us it's wrong to eat shark fins? I'm a smart guy. My morals are pretty decent. I have the ability to decide this kind of stuff for myself. The less things we allow to be governed on our behalf, the freer we are. That's the difference between a Conservative and Liberal government. Liberals want to govern everything, while Conservatives just want to govern the things that need to be governed on our behalf, and let us govern everything else for ourselves.
That's a ridiculous argument. It's not your right to stuff your gullet with shark fin soup. It's not your right to rape and pillage natural resources until they are gone. I don't know how smart you are or how great your morals are if you can't understand that world governments need to ban ridiculous things like shark fin soup if our natural resources are to stand a chance. You simply cannot leave this up to the masses as there are far too many idiots who would simply consume sharks or other resources until they are gone. People....correction, the Conservatives don't care and are out for the almighty dollar.
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It's not the Government's place to tell its citizens what they can or can not eat. Government should keep the lights on, provide safety and protection, make sure the bills are paid, and make sure our international interests attended to.
Let me worry about how I want to live my life, and whether or not I want to stuff a shark fin in my gullet.
That's what a Conservative government is all about. Do we really need our government to tell us it's wrong to eat shark fins? I'm a smart guy. My morals are pretty decent. I have the ability to decide this kind of stuff for myself. The less things we allow to be governed on our behalf, the freer we are. That's the difference between a Conservative and Liberal government. Liberals want to govern everything, while Conservatives just want to govern the things that need to be governed on our behalf, and let us govern everything else for ourselves.
I take it you would have no problem with the ivory trade then, right? Why should the government tell you that you can't own an elephant tusk?
And while we're at it, what business is it of the government's if you want to import and eat the meat from white tigers or snow leapards? Those nanny-state liberal fascists shouldn't have any right to dictate what you can and cannot consume!
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I take it you would have no problem with the ivory trade then, right? Why should the government tell you that you can't own an elephant tusk?
And while we're at it, what business is it of the government's if you want to import and eat the meat from white tigers or snow leapards? Those nanny-state liberal fascists shouldn't have any right to dictate what you can and cannot consume!
Elephants, white tigers and snow leopards are all on the world endangered species list. They are protected by international law, which would supersede my right to import them whether my country allowed me to or not.
Are the particular species of shark that are being targeted for their fins equally protected? I'm not being flippant, I honestly don't know. If they are, then why do we need our government to tell us it's not allowed if it's already not allowed? If they aren't, then why should our government prevent us from eating them?
All I'm saying, is that I believe in small government. If there's already an applicable law prohibiting something, then why would we need another one? On the flip side, if there isn't a law prohibiting something, do we really (actually) need a new one? Is there a particular, valid reason why we need one? I mean, sure, the procedure for acquiring the fins is cruel and inhumane, but one can equally argue the same for almost any animal-product we consume.
What about declawing cats? Outlawed in many countries around the world, but perfectly legal here in Canada. Is that right or wrong? I think it's terribly cruel to amputate part of a cat's toes just for the sake of protecting our furniture, but I also believe that it should be my decision to make.
The government has enough things to worry about. I don't need it trying to figure out if my cat has all of his toes or if there's a shark fin in my soup.
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It's not the Government's place to tell its citizens what they can or can not eat. Government should keep the lights on, provide safety and protection, make sure the bills are paid, and make sure our international interests attended to.
Let me worry about how I want to live my life, and whether or not I want to stuff a shark fin in my gullet.
That's what a Conservative government is all about. Do we really need our government to tell us it's wrong to eat shark fins? I'm a smart guy. My morals are pretty decent. I have the ability to decide this kind of stuff for myself. The less things we allow to be governed on our behalf, the freer we are. That's the difference between a Conservative and Liberal government. Liberals want to govern everything, while Conservatives just want to govern the things that need to be governed on our behalf, and let us govern everything else for ourselves.
This is exhibit A of how/why Rob Anders still has a seat.
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