Hummers

[4X4]

Originally posted by soulchoice@Jul 12 2005, 03:17 AM
Although i do look forward to the day when someone makes a comment to me about it.

[Indi]

Originally posted by Reaper+Jul 12 2005, 05:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Reaper @ Jul 12 2005, 05:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-soulchoice@Jul 12 2005, 04:17 AM
I personally have more things to think about than what other people choose to drive. I really could care less. If someone wants to drive a huge truck like a hummer, despite not going 4x4ing..who cares..thats his business.

I myself drive a larger suv, which is hard on gas, etc. I drive it cause I like the truck. Any other persons opinion on my auto of choice is irrelevent, which I am sure is the same for others whom drive, so called non practical autos as well. Although i do look forward to the day when someone makes a comment to me about it.

Never really understood why others seem so intent on worrying about what others do or dont do in there life. Cracks me up when people just can't mind their own business.....some just dont have anything else in their lives to occupy time i guess.

At the risk of sounding granola-ish.

When it comes to pollution and the inefficient consumption of fossil fuels people have every right to criticize those drivers who feel compelled to own/drive gas guzzlers without a real sense of practicality.

Issues such as air quality and environmental impact affect everyone so if someone rags on you for driving an SUV when you don't really need it then suck it up because you're not the only one who has to live in this ecosystem. [/b][/quote]
yeah right, where does this end? I choose to persecute you because your windows aren't low e, and your furnace rating isnt high efficient, lets not even talk about your central air conditioning. I dont like the way that you keep your house at 20 deg in the winter when 18 is better for the environment. Lets see the incentives for energy reduction and then we will actually see energy reduction!!

Flame away

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by tjinaz@Jul 12 2005, 01:01 PM
Actually the prices on Hummers aren't that much. You can buy a H2 used for about 35 to 45k. It is about as much as a 7 series beemer. The H1 is definitely the way to go and I think the diesel gets about 12mpg, which is the same as the giant dodge and ford crew cab pickups. where they get you is the service and parts.

You seriously can't think $45,000 is an "OK" price for a used vehicle can you?

.....or maybe I'm just cheap .............

[TARR]

I drive a Pathfinder that's terrible on gas, however I barely drive and put pretty much go to teh gym/rink and work, none of which are more then a 5 minute drive. However some "granola" could bitch at me for driving a SUV that's bad on gas wehn they drive their average car across the city for work every day, to love in marajuana fests out of town, and to lame hippie fests on long weekends of the summer.. I bet they use more gas tehn me

GOD I HATE HIPPIES

[tjinaz]

Yea 45k is a bit much for a used vehicle but 35k is too much for a new one to me.

I'm cheap.

Hippies... heh. When I lived in Flagstaff all the "earthfirsters" would have their meetings and bitch about how those evil people are killing the environment then get into their SUVs and drive back to thier parents houses in Scottsdale. I was amused.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally posted by Indi+Jul 12 2005, 01:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Indi @ Jul 12 2005, 01:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

At the risk of sounding granola-ish.

When it comes to pollution and the inefficient consumption of fossil fuels people have every right to criticize those drivers who feel compelled to own/drive gas guzzlers without a real sense of practicality.

Issues such as air quality and environmental impact affect everyone so if someone rags on you for driving an SUV when you don't really need it then suck it up because you're not the only one who has to live in this ecosystem.

yeah right, where does this end? I choose to persecute you because your windows aren't low e, and your furnace rating isnt high efficient, lets not even talk about your central air conditioning. I dont like the way that you keep your house at 20 deg in the winter when 18 is better for the environment. Lets see the incentives for energy reduction and then we will actually see energy reduction!!

Flame away [/b][/quote]
Flame you? Why? I'm sure a lot of people agree with you.

Tax the guy who drives the SUV, make him pay more per litre for gas, and I'm sure people will buy more economic cars. Give me an energy rebate for my high efficiency furnace and low volume toilet (those things are a pain in the arse to clean BTW) and more people would put them into their houses.

I agree, put some kind of incentive into it and more people would d it.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by TARR@Jul 12 2005, 03:13 PM
I drive a Pathfinder that's terrible on gas, however I barely drive and put pretty much go to teh gym/rink and work, none of which are more then a 5 minute drive. However some "granola" could bitch at me for driving a SUV that's bad on gas wehn they drive their average car across the city for work every day, to love in marajuana fests out of town, and to lame hippie fests on long weekends of the summer.. I bet they use more gas tehn me

GOD I HATE HIPPIES

Ha ha. Hippies. You are right though -- a guy that drives a Civic a hundred miles a day has no right to bash anybody and is a total hypocrite and a ###### if he thinks he's doing the world some favor.

But I gotta ask -- if you never go anywhere, why do you need a 4-wheel drive vehicle that weighs 4,500 pounds?

[Hakan]

Flame you? Why? I'm sure a lot of people agree with you.

Tax the guy who drives the SUV, make him pay more per litre for gas, and I'm sure people will buy more economic cars. Give me an energy rebate for my high efficiency furnace and low volume toilet (those things are a pain in the arse to clean BTW) and more people would put them into their houses.

I agree, put some kind of incentive into it and more people would d it.

Ding ding ding!

People make decisions with their wallets. Or so Adam Smith says. I'm a big fan of so-called 'feebates.' Basically it's makign someone who buys a below average efficiency vehicle pay a fee for how inefficient it is. Meanwhile, that revenue is recylced to someone who buys an above average efficiency vehicle through the form a rebate.

This system would work great. You aren't limiting anyone's freedom from buying the car they want but your are internalizing the environmental costs of the vehicle the buyer is purchasing.

[tjinaz]

Why does someone need a Bentley or a V-12 Benz? Same reason they need a Hummer. Big wallet and low self esteem. My opinion the best way to handle this would be a tax or higher registration rate for the high polluting luxury cars.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally posted by Tron_fdc@Jul 12 2005, 03:19 PM
Tax the guy who drives the SUV, make him pay more per litre for gas.

Why?

Paying for 80 Litres of it every 3 days doesn't stop said guy, so how does a price increase?

[Reaper]

Originally posted by hulkrogan+Jul 12 2005, 04:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hulkrogan @ Jul 12 2005, 04:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tron_fdc@Jul 12 2005, 03:19 PM
Tax the guy who drives the SUV, make him pay more per litre for gas.

Why?

Paying for 80 Litres of it every 3 days doesn't stop said guy, so how does a price increase? [/b][/quote]
It makes it monetarily punitive for him because he pays a premium for fuel on top of the extra cost that comes as a result of the vehicle's ineficiency.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally posted by hulkrogan+Jul 12 2005, 04:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hulkrogan @ Jul 12 2005, 04:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tron_fdc@Jul 12 2005, 03:19 PM
Tax the guy who drives the SUV, make him pay more per litre for gas.

Why?

Paying for 80 Litres of it every 3 days doesn't stop said guy, so how does a price increase? [/b][/quote]
For me anyway, if I had to pay an extra 10-15% luxury tax on top of my fuel cost for driving a gas pig V-8 I'd give serious thought into buying a 4 cylinder. Make it so the luxury tax as non-tax deductible unless the vehicle was proven to be a necessity and I'm sure a lot of businesses would re-think their vehicle needs as well.

I drive an 05 Tundra, it has a lift on it and 33" tires. It sucks gas like a mofo, but I also drive in and out of mines and gravel pits where (especially lately) a 4 cyl diesel would get buried up to its windows. I also use it for my own purposes (hauling sleds and boats, as well as driving all over the mountains year round). However, I acknowledge its a luxury, and if I was forced to by my company I could get by with a small car, and buy a truck for my own personal use.

Make it difficult to afford these "luxury" vehicles, and less people would be driving hummers to Tim Hortons. Good luck getting that past the auto makers though. I remember seeing something on 60 minutes a few years ago when the "Big 3" admitted the lions share of their profits are generated by the sales of these monsters to the average American.

[Jake]

Originally posted by tjinaz@Jul 12 2005, 02:44 PM
Why does someone need a Bentley or a V-12 Benz?# Same reason they need a Hummer.# Big wallet and low self esteem.

What an idiotic statement. Maybe they just enjoy cars, why do they need to have a low self esteem? Are you that ignorant or simply jealous?

I think you'll be suprised at how much a V-8 or V-12 Mercedes actually pollutes in comparison to many normal cars on the road.

[tjinaz]

Dude the topic was why anyone needs a H1 or H2. My response was for the same reason they want a V-12 Benz or Bentley. They have a ton of money or they couldn't afford them and are likely trying to make a statement. I don't think everyone that buys a hugely expensive car is an autophile. They use the car to make a statement. Why would they need to make a statement? hmmm. Maybe just for fun and to say "yea i am obscenely rich" It is not a bad thing. But some folks do it.

Many of the obscenely rich are more secure than that and drive normal cars or have a cause and drive small cars. Why do you think people buy ridiculously expensive cars?

[Jake]

Because instead of hording their money they want to enjoy it. Driving a Ferrari or Merc beats driving a rust bucket to work. It could have nothing to do with a desire to show off their money. I'm sorry, is that too simple of an answer Dr. Phil?

Some wealthy individuals do that, but its stupid to stereotype all of them like that.

[TARR]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Jul 12 2005, 02:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Jul 12 2005, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TARR@Jul 12 2005, 03:13 PM
I drive a Pathfinder that's terrible on gas, however I barely drive and put pretty much go to the gym/rink and work, none of which are more then a 5 minute drive. However some "granola" could bitch at me for driving a SUV that's bad on gas when they drive their average car across the city for work every day, to love in marijuana fests out of town, and to lame hippie fests on long weekends of the summer.. I bet they use more gas then me

GOD I HATE HIPPIES

Ha ha. Hippies. You are right though -- a guy that drives a Civic a hundred miles a day has no right to bash anybody and is a total hypocrite and a ###### if he thinks he's doing the world some favor.

But I gotta ask -- if you never go anywhere, why do you need a 4-wheel drive vehicle that weighs 4,500 pounds? [/b][/quote]
Hockey Equipment, used to have 2 dogs, unfortunately I'm always helping people move as well.. Plus liked the look of it or thought it was "cool." Also I love the 4wd, I know it's not really a necessity, but after driving a rear wheel drive and now having 4wd.. It makes winter driving... hmm easier?.. My house also used to have one of those huge curbs, that was annoying in a car..

Wow, my spelling in that last post was atrocious!

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Jake@Jul 12 2005, 09:19 PM
Because instead of hording their money they want to enjoy it. Driving a Ferrari or Merc beats driving a rust bucket to work. It could have nothing to do with a desire to show off their money. I'm sorry, is that too simple of an answer Dr. Phil?

Some wealthy individuals do that, but its stupid to stereotype all of them like that.

You seem very angry. You can't tell me that people that buy expensive fancy cars don't have a "look-at-me!" type personality. That is at least some part of the decision to buy a Ferrari/Bentley/H2.

I've already talked to the wife about this issue at length and we agreed that the next car we get will be a hybrid electric.

[tjinaz]

Yea what the Tank said...

You cant tell me that the "look at me in my uber cool car" aspect doesn't come into play in that purchase decision. With the depreciation level of the cars it is not like they use them for investments.

Angry man

[Bill Bumface]

Some people like fast cars (myself included). Unfortunately fast cars often look flashy too.

But your right, all these rich people buying their big houses.. you KNOW the only reason they got the swimming pool is to invite friends over to impress them!

[Jake]

Originally posted by tjinaz@Jul 13 2005, 02:22 PM
Yea what the Tank said...

You cant tell me that the# "look at me in my uber cool car" aspect doesn't come into play in that purchase decision.# With the depreciation level of the cars it is not like they use them for investments.

Angry man

The reason I got angry was because of your moronic statement that rich people who buy expensive cars have low self esteems. This is a public forum, meaning you should be careful what you say because some may take personal offense to things like that.

You seem very angry. You can't tell me that people that buy expensive fancy cars don't have a "look-at-me!" type personality. That is at least some part of the decision to buy a Ferrari/Bentley/H2.

I've already talked to the wife about this issue at length and we agreed that the next car we get will be a hybrid electric.

I can tell you people that buy expensive cars may not have that "look at me" personality. Havn't you heard of a car enthusiast?

I just don't see why, if you have the money, you can't enjoy it. By your flawless logic rich people buy a big house, fancy car or plasma TV to impress others to make up for their low self esteem. Can you honestly now see how ridiculous that is? Hulkrogan made that point well.