11 games in...rate the defencemen

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Basing my thoughts on expectations (ie. not all players are created and therefore judged equally)

TJ Brodie: A- Been far better as a top 4 D man than I expected. Good at both ends of the ice, great moving the team out our own end.

Dennis Wideman: A- Shown great skills on the PP and offensively, but overall a much smarter player than I expected and much better in his own end that I though

Marc Giordano: D I have high expectations for this guy, but he's been bad all over the ice. Was a beast last night though ont he 5 on 3, hopefully this is a sign of things to come.

Jay Bouwmeester: B He's been playing like the player we all wanted in the offensive zone so far this year, and creating offence. But for his price tag, he should be a very effective top pairing shut down guy as well and he's simply been on the ice for way too many goals against. Might be due to a struggling partner, but want to see him play really well in both ends against top opposition before he gets an A.

Chris Butler: C- Bad start, but is looking a little better on the bottom pair.

Cory Sarich: B- Meeting expectations.

Derek Smith: B- Meeting expectations.

[Enoch Root]

Distribution on Wideman:

A+ 3
A 10
A- 7
B+ 0
B 0
B- 0
C+ 0
C 1

[GreenLantern]

I think Brodie has shown a lot of growth this year but Wideman is hands down the best Flames D man so far. He has been all over the ice and has looked great. This guy wants to win and he brings a solid effort every game. I haven't seen a game yet where it didn't look like he was trying his hardest.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Distribution on Wideman:

A+ 3
A 10
A- 7
B+ 0
B 0
B- 0
C+ 0
C 1

There seems to be an outlier...

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Distribution on Wideman:
A++++++++ 1
A+ 3
A 10
A- 7
B+ 0
B 0
B- 0
C+ 0
C 1

Fixed and

Someone gave him a C?? hahahahahahaha. I bet it was the same guy who wanted us to buy him out before he played a single shift here.

[dammage79]

Who gave Wideman a C? Really?

Edit: Looked it up. moon, figures.

[theg69]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Who gave Wideman a C? Really?

I caught that going through the thread and was surprised.
Then I looked at the poster who gave him the C and it made sense.
To each their own I suppose.

That being said, I actually agree re: the ratings of the other defensemen.

[Bertuzzied]

Hey look it's Moon! Look at me everyone!!!! I'm controversial!!!!!! ...... lame.

[Roof-Daddy]

nm

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Iginla

TJ Brodie: A-

Dennis Wideman: A-

Marc Giordano: D

Jay Bouwmeester: B+

Chris Butler: D-

Cory Sarich: C

Derek Smith: B+

Brodie A-
Wideman A
Giordano C
Bouwmeester B
Butler C-
Sarich C
Smith C+

[neo45]

Given expectations and salary:

TJ Brodie: A

Dennis Wideman: B+ (he is getting paid 5.25 mil guys...)

Marc Giordano: C

Jay Bouwmeester: B

Chris Butler: D

Cory Sarich: B-

Derek Smith: B

[EVERLAST]

Expectations and hate for Gio at an all time high......he's still so much better than Sarich, Smith and Butter ......soon when he's blocking shots when no one else is the hate will disappear.

Wowzers.....and I thought I hated Butler

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by neo45

Given expectations and salary:

TJ Brodie: A

Dennis Wideman: B+ (he is getting paid 5.25 mil guys...)

Marc Giordano: C

Jay Bouwmeester: B

Chris Butler: D

Cory Sarich: B-

Derek Smith: B

What does that have to do with it? He is still playing at an A level.

The funny thing is that there is no way Brodie would be at an A if he wasn't paired with Wideman.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

What does that have to do with it? He is still playing at an A level.

The funny thing is that there is no way Brodie would be at an A if he wasn't paired with Wideman.

Brodie was an A on the Heat, too.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by neo45

Given expectations and salary:

TJ Brodie: A

Dennis Wideman: B+ (he is getting paid 5.25 mil guys...)

Marc Giordano: C

Jay Bouwmeester: B

Chris Butler: D

Cory Sarich: B-

Derek Smith: B

I actually don't mind your grade, seems pretty good for Wideman. But wanted to ask based on your comment, he's a + player, playing on the 2nd pairing and is currently on pace for 60pts in a full NHL season right now. Early days, but if that continued, what more do you want for your 5.2M?

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Brodie was an A on the Heat, too.

Against NHL players?

Brodie has been great but he still looks a little weak at times against bigger forwards.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Expectations and hate for Gio at an all time high......he's still so much better than Sarich, Smith and Butter ......soon when he's blocking shots when no one else is the hate will disappear.

Wowzers.....and I thought I hated Butler

Expectations should be higher than those guys. He makes 4x as much as each of them, has a long term deal and an NTC? Of course expectations on him are higher, has nothing to do with hate. Think it's been well established people are mostly grading against expectation, there for an A for Gio means a lot better play than an A for Sarich would, because his potential is so much higher.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Against NHL players?

Brodie has been great but he still looks a little weak at times against bigger forwards.

Were you not watching the AHL while the NHL wasn't playing? There were NHL guys in every lineup.

[Bourque's Twin]

Wideman - A
Brodie - A-
Bouwmeester - B+
Smith - B
Sarich - B-
Giordano - C+
Butler - F

[ricardodw]

So it seems that we have a consensus that Giordano is having his worst season in years.

It makes no sense in that Bouwmeester (like the start of last season) is doing so much better with Gio as his partner.

I was willing to give Butler some slack as Bouwmeester started last season playing better than he did with Regehr.

Have to admit that Bouwmeester is playing better than all expectations that he has established over the last 2 years but he seems to be consistently a partner killer.