The State Of The Union...

[PsYcNeT]

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by Red Ice Player

Apology for what? Get over it. I was referring to voter suppresion the whole time and you know it. Considering the GOP already stole one election in 2004 and tried damned hard to rig the latest one, why shouldn't it be an issue? As for the families of gun violence in attendance, right on. Call it exploiting tragedy? If its a start to putting the brakes on your nation's sickening, destructive, and pointless gun culture, then its a good thing. Far better than mindless repetitive second amendment posturing from idiots that can't even see that their love of owning personal arsenals is one of the things that is tearing your country apart. Ah, but who the hell cares as long as I gots my guns...

Well I obviously wasn't talking about voter suppression since that's not a quote Obama used when talking about voter suppression. Remember, You called me out on the quote not the other way around.


Tried to rig the last election? Im guessing Bush also ordered the the attacks on the World Trade Center? There's always going to be a conspiracy theory. C'mon man.... get over it with that crap. Do you really think that they tried to "rig" an election ? Seems like a bunch of liberal BS thats just as laughable of that gun posturing from right wing idiots. The only thing politics in America is about these days is the Republicans throwing untrue dirt on the Democrats and the Democrats throwing untrue on the Republicans to make their party look better. It's all a big joke...

As for the guns that's your opinion and you are welcome to it, I just don't agree with it. Gun violence is going to exist with or without stricter laws. President Obama's says a more stringent back ground check will prevent guns from getting into hands of criminals which is laughable at best. I think your way off base and lumping a minority group of Americans into the same light when you talk about the gun culture. Sure there are people who are against any kind of gun control and think any kind of regulation is BS. However, there are a lot of more responsible gun owners who don't mind going through more hoops to legally own a firearm in the name of safety, most that I know don't even really care about any kind of ban on assault weapons. Although after hearing about how you think the elections are all rigged....Im betting you'll believe any left wing liberal news outlet who says 90% of Americans are " mindless repetitive second amendment posturing idiots that can't even see that their love of owning personal arsenals is one of the things that is tearing their country apart"

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

The state of the union is all about the image of solidarity in the US government. The President usually does make one or two large declarations each year- so far some big things have been proposals for free daycare, increased minimum wage, and gender neutral pay structures. These have all been mentioned before though, so nothing new.

did he really offer free health care, how much equalization are we going to have to pay for that?

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

Well I obviously wasn't talking about voter suppression since that's not a quote Obama used when talking about voter suppression. Remember, You called me out on the quote not the other way around.


Tried to rig the last election? Im guessing Bush also ordered the the attacks on the World Trade Center? There's always going to be a conspiracy theory. C'mon man.... get over it with that crap. Do you really think that they tried to "rig" an election ? Seems like a bunch of liberal BS thats just as laughable of that gun posturing from right wing idiots. The only thing politics in America is about these days is the Republicans throwing untrue dirt on the Democrats and the Democrats throwing untrue on the Republicans to make their party look better. It's all a big joke...

As for the guns that's your opinion and you are welcome to it, I just don't agree with it. Gun violence is going to exist with or without stricter laws. President Obama's says a more stringent back ground check will prevent guns from getting into hands of criminals which is laughable at best. I think your way off base and lumping a minority group of Americans into the same light when you talk about the gun culture. Sure there are people who are against any kind of gun control and think any kind of regulation is BS. However, there are a lot of more responsible gun owners who don't mind going through more hoops to legally own a firearm in the name of safety, most that I know don't even really care about any kind of ban on assault weapons. Although after hearing about how you think the elections are all rigged....Im betting you'll believe any left wing liberal news outlet who says 90% of Americans are " mindless repetitive second amendment posturing idiots that can't even see that their love of owning personal arsenals is one of the things that is tearing their country apart"

C'mon, 2004, remember..hanging chads? Voter suppresion in the last election? Reducing of polling stations in urban areas... now why would that happen, all in states governed by the GOP? Last minute voter ID rules. Deliberately making it more difficult to vote in areas in which your favoured candidates trail badly in the polls is called voter suppression, and it is anti democratic and against the spirit of your constitution. The GOP caters to a shrinking demographic. Now several states are busily enacting legistlation to redraw congressional districts to maximize the clout of rural voters and diminish urban voters, who tend to not vote Republican. But I guess thats ok then, if its not your vote thats being rendered meaningless.

[WCW Nitro]

The foreign policy part of the speech is always fun. In the same speech he said he'll do whatever it takes to prevent Iran from getting a nuke, will stand with Israel (who has nukes) no matter what, and that he'll make sure America continues to have the strongest military ever known to mankind.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Red Ice Player

C'mon, 2004, remember..hanging chads?

I think you mean 2000, remember?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

Is this the first SOTU you've watched?

Actually, it was.

[Barnes]

Free daycare? I'm moving to the US and will put the money I save to lease an exotic super car.

[Azure]

Free daycare or universal pre-school?

Either way it is a colossal waste of money.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Azure

Free daycare or universal pre-school?

Either way it is a colossal waste of money.

Why would you say that?

[HOOT]

Come on guys the only thing that should be talked about today is The Gulp™.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Why would you say that?

Because entitlements.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Why would you say that?

Because a federal daycare program run by the US government screams of inefficiency and cost overruns.

If you want to target low-income families state by state and offer them help for pre school or daycare, fine....but you don't do it federally.

The private sector can do it a lot better.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Azure

Because a federal daycare program run by the US government screams of inefficiency and cost overruns.

If you want to target low-income families state by state and offer them help for pre school or daycare, fine....but you don't do it federally.

The private sector can do it a lot better.

Butt private sector hasn't been doing it. Unless you mean public funding for private schools/day care, which may be exactly what he's talking about.

These programs are actually quite effective in European countries

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

I think you mean 2000, remember?

Sorry. You are correct.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Butt private sector hasn't been doing it. Unless you mean public funding for private schools/day care, which may be exactly what he's talking about.

These programs are actually quite effective in European countries

With the debt and other problems that the American's have they can't afford free daycare provided by the government. There are other priorities.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Butt private sector hasn't been doing it. Unless you mean public funding for private schools/day care, which may be exactly what he's talking about.

These programs are actually quite effective in European countries

The private sector doesn't have daycare programs? Since when.

Daycare has been around forever. The ability for low income families to afford it hasn't. If the point is to help low income families get their kids into daycare, fine.....might be a good idea. But to start a federally run daycare program? The US simply doesn't have the billions required.

Maybe it would be a good idea to fix the social programs they have, instead of coming up with new ones that will have the same result as the old ones.

Why people think the government should provide everything is beyond me.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Azure

Why people think the government should provide everything is beyond me.

I agree with this when it comes to a lot of areas. However, there is a real risk when you leave certain aspects of society to private industry alone, eg. US style healthcare. I don't know enough about this particular issue to say which way is best.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Come on guys the only thing that should be talked about today is The Gulp™.

I just about busted a gut when I saw that.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

I agree with this when it comes to a lot of areas. However, there is a real risk when you leave certain aspects of society to private industry alone, eg. US style healthcare. I don't know enough about this particular issue to say which way is best.

Well in my opinion health care should be non-profit.

Otherwise I have no problem with the public or private sector being involved so long as they provide maximum efficiency at minimum price, and constantly make that they are at top of the game.