Is Alison Redford 'Stelmach, the sequel'?

[mariners_fever]

Originally Posted by SebC

Or maybe it's this: "We have always said the science isn't settled and we need to continue to monitor the debate." - Danielle Smith on climate change

If your solution to what is a major challenge to this province is to deny it, what ends up discredited is you.

Sure, but read my whole quote where I said 'like their policies or not'. Just because she made a controversial comment doesn't deny she is popular and is the party's best chance at victory. (Really, who else would be a more charismatic leader for them?)

Based on that logic, Ralph Klein would not have been the PCs best chance to win if they 'were serious about forming government' because he threw a toonie at a homeless man and told him 'to get a job'. I'm not suggesting the climate change quote helps, but it doesn't really mean she can't win an election either.

The point remains, if the Wildrose is serious about forming government, they'd be wise to keep Danielle as leader as she is their best chance at winning an election. Period. If they change leader now after both their seat and vote share rose dramatically in the next election, the perception of the party is that of instability. It would just not help them win whatsoever. Similarly, internal instability of two leaders in five years didn't exactly help the PCs electorally as they bled popular vote in a way they hadn't in 19 years.

It has nothing to do with partisanship or making a disagreeable comment. Tommy Douglas was his party's best chance at electoral success as was Pierre Trudeau in his day.

And hey, I'd be welcomed to be proven wrong, so either of you two are more than welcome to point out who should be leader 'if they are serious about forming government' as Bertuzzied suggests.

[SebC]

^^ I was talking about whether or not Smith is better than Redford (in terms of good government, not electability). I agree Smith has been and likely will continue to be very good for Wildrose's popularity.

[mariners_fever]

Originally Posted by SebC

^^ I was talking about whether or not Smith is better than Redford (in terms of good government, not electability). I agree Smith has been and likely will continue to be very good for Wildrose's popularity.

10-4. I was just replying to Bertuzzied's comment that the Wildrose will never be serious about forming government until they dump Smith, which is really all about electability.

Apologies for the malfunction at the junction.

[SebC]

I will add though that comments like that do put a ceiling on her popularity. That ceiling may ultimately require Wildrose to make a leadership change, but I don't think they have anyone better right now.

[GGG]

I think the PC party is condemned to have mediocre leaders until they get rid of the preferential ballot. The path to winning is to be non offensive. Anyone who stands for something will polarize enough people to not be the second choice.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by SebC

^^ I was talking about whether or not Smith is better than Redford (in terms of good government, not electability). I agree Smith has been and likely will continue to be very good for Wildrose's popularity.

The big difference - we KNOW the PC party does not deserve to run the province, you only suspect the wildrose doesn't. Re-electing the PC party ensures they will not need to clean up their act, and is counter-productive, regardless of what people were trying to avoid.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

It is hard to imagine who would have made it into Smith's Tea Party cabinet. For that reason alone, sadly, Redford is a better choice. A more corrupt one but a better one.

Correct me if i am wrong but shayne saskiw, wr mla, was the gold medallist at u of a business faculty and silver medalist in law. He was also a tax lawyer.

I like the thought of guys like that in govt.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

all that and she is still better than Danielle Smith. If the Wildrose was serious about leading the province they better punt her ass sooner rather than later.

Smith has never been Preimer of a province, so to say Redford is better is pure speculation on your part.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Dion

Smith has never been Preimer of a province, so to say Redford is better is pure speculation on your part.

Well what is Smith's past? booted out Calgary board trustee. Reform party supporter. Ted Morton supporter, Bachelor of Arts in Economics... hehe.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Dion

Smith has never been Preimer of a province, so to say Redford is better is pure speculation on your part.

Guess you won't be saying Harper is better than Trudeau (Jr.) then.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Well what is Smith's past? booted out Calgary board trustee. Reform party supporter. Ted Morton supporter, Bachelor of Arts in Economics... hehe.

Enjoy watching Redford run this province into the ground

[Dion]

Originally Posted by SebC

Guess you won't be saying Harper is better than Trudeau (Jr.) then.

Bingo!

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Dion

Enjoy watching Redford run this province into the ground

Still better than the alternative. I really hope Nenshi gives up his mayorship and goes premier next election.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Still better than the alternative. I really hope Nenshi gives up his mayorship and goes premier next election.

Hard to know what Smith would do when she hasn't had the opportunity.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Dion

Hard to know what Smith would do when she hasn't had the opportunity.

You are 100% correct.

All she has done so far is act like my 5 year old throwing a tantrum when she isn't happy with the circumstances, but I am sure that wouldn't happen if she was elected as premier, so it would been unfair to base any assumption on that.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Dion

Hard to know what Smith would do when she hasn't had the opportunity.

neither has Jay Bouwmeester. Do you think he can lead the province?

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

It is hard to imagine who would have made it into Smith's Tea Party cabinet. For that reason alone, sadly, Redford is a better choice. A more corrupt one but a better one.

Oh soo true. I would by far rather have a more corrupt government.

And we have fine examples of what Redford's cabinet has brought us so far.

Tourism Minister Cusanelli who "accidentally" used a government credit card (31 times from May to Nov) for personal expenses to tune of $10,600.00.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...531/story.html

Solicitor General Denis who "loosely" interprets the Charter to prevent the Chief Electoral Officer from releasing details of illegal contributions.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...ons-limit.html





Hoping green text won't be needed.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Rathji

You are 100% correct.

All she has done so far is act like my 5 year old throwing a tantrum when she isn't happy with the circumstances, but I am sure that wouldn't happen if she was elected as premier, so it would been unfair to base any assumption on that.

There have been a heck of a lot more Alison Redford temper tantrums played out publicly lately than there have been Danielle Smith temper tantrums. Do you watch the news?

[Clever_Iggy]

As others have mentioned, Redford is smarter but slimier. She's akin to Bronconnier - a thief hiding out in political office.

Stelmach was simply overwhelmed but never appeared to be a crook.

I'd take Steady Eddie back over this witch (and I never thought I'd say that).

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

neither has Jay Bouwmeester. Do you think he can lead the province?

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...&postcount=210