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Julio · 11-21-2012, 02:15 PM

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Wasn't Noah supposedly 400 years old when he finished the ark...now that's playing favorites...or cruel and unusual punishment.[/QUOTE]

He was 600. (Genesis 7:7) And he did get to take his wife and his sons and their wives...no mention of the grandkids tho.

Cheese · 11-21-2012, 03:15 PM

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Back when I used to be a more practising Muslim boy, I never could never for the life of me believe in the Noah's ark story. I think you have to be full on ###### to actually think some dude could have built a giant boat, got every single animal to obediently sit inside it for a few days and god just flooded the earth because he was angry. I never read the Christian or Jewish version of the events, but I assume they're similar?

so...what did you think of flying horses?

saskflames69 · 11-21-2012, 03:21 PM

I had a substitute back in elementary that tried to explain that the flood was real because marine fossils were found in the mountains. IIRC he spent the remainder of the afternoon drawing at his desk. Never heard from him again.

_Q_ · 11-21-2012, 03:35 PM

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so...what did you think of flying horses?

You mean these things?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq

I never really thought of them. If it's mythological, I assumed you can't see them with the naked eye. Sort of like angels, jinn, etc.

Rerun · 11-21-2012, 04:17 PM

Serious question as I really don't know the answer....

Do muslims believe in creationism or evolution? Or is it like Christians... some believe everything the bible says and others don't.

JohnnyB · 11-21-2012, 04:21 PM

Using a book like that to teach kids is basically child abuse.

Ozy_Flame · 11-21-2012, 04:22 PM

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I am not Mr. Religion but didn't god flood the earth to punish man, to wipe him out and start again. Not to punish his other creations.

God: ####ing troll.

_Q_ · 11-21-2012, 04:26 PM

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Serious question as I really don't know the answer....

Do muslims believe in creationism or evolution? Or is it like Christians... some believe everything the bible says and others don't.

It's the same as with Christians. Some believe one or the other. I find a lot believe in both though. The way God created the universe in Islam is similar to the Big Bang Theory, expansion of the universe and even evolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_evolution

I find the more enlightened Muslims tend to make the teachings of the Quran work with science rather than the other way around as in some Christian circles. For example, yes, in Islam God created the Universe in 7 days, but I read somewhere that 1 day for God is not the same as 1 day for humans. Since a day for us means circling around the sun, but for God circling around the sun is inconsequential for him. So really, 7 days to God could mean 7 billion years to humans.

Rerun · 11-21-2012, 04:29 PM

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It's the same as with Christians. Some believe one or the other. I find a lot believe in both though. The way God created the universe in Islam is similar to the Big Bang Theory, expansion of the universe and even evolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_evolution

I find the more enlightened Muslims tend to make the teachings of the Quran work with science rather than the other way around as in some Christian circles. For example, yes, in Islam God created the Universe in 7 days, but I read somewhere that 1 day for God is not the same as 1 day for humans. Since a day for us means circling around the sun, but for God circling around the sun is inconsequential for him. So really, 7 days to God could mean 7 billion years to humans.

Thanks for the link... I found this there...

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Muslim society

Evolutionary biology is included in the high-school curricula of most Muslim countries. Science foundations of 14 Muslim countries, including Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Indonesia, and Egypt, recently signed a statement by the Interacademy Panel (IAP, a global network of science academies), in support of the teaching of evolution, including human evolution.[17] Little is known about general societal views of evolution in Muslim countries.

A 2007 study of religious patterns found that only 8% of Egyptians, 11% of Malaysians, 14% of Pakistanis, 16% of Indonesians, and 22% of Turks agree that Darwin's theory is probably or most certainly true, and a 2006 survey reported that about 25% of Turkish adults agreed that human beings evolved from earlier animal species. In contrast, the 2007 study found that only 28% of Kazakhs thought that evolution is false.[17] According to Salman Hameed, writing in the journal Science, there exists a contradictory attitude towards evolution in the Muslim world. While Muslims accept science as fully compatible with Islam, and most accept microevolution, very few Muslims accept the macroevolution as held by scientists, especially human evolution.[17]

smoothpops · 11-21-2012, 04:32 PM

Makes me wonder how essays by the students that are based on science and are "pro-evolution" get marked. Get negatively marked for having "inaccurate" facts must be super frustrating

photon · 11-21-2012, 04:32 PM

** Please note, the above picture is not intended to be an exegesis of the Biblical creation narrative.

getbak · 11-21-2012, 04:36 PM

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Makes me wonder how essays by the students that are based on science and are "pro-evolution" get marked. Get negatively marked for having "inaccurate" facts must be super frustrating

Those students probably aren't going to "faith-based" schools.

_Q_ · 11-21-2012, 04:36 PM

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Thanks for the link... I found this there...

Yeah those numbers aren't very encouraging, I'll be honest. Then again, those countries with low belief in Darwin's theories aren't exactly the most affluent in the Muslim world. Still a long way to go I guess. Most Muslims I know here believe in evolution, however that's all anecdotal evidence.

photon · 11-21-2012, 04:39 PM

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Most Muslims I know here believe in evolution, however that's all anecdotal evidence.

Heh, most Christians I know here are rabid creationists. I know my cross section is highly evangelically skewed though.

_Q_ · 11-21-2012, 04:45 PM

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Heh, most Christians I know here are rabid creationists. I know my cross section is highly evangelically skewed though.

Yeah, I knew a bunch of extremist Muslims here in Calgary and kind of distanced myself from them. Maybe if I were to take a cross section of those guys they would be rabid creationists as well. Most Muslims I know are the guys I went to University with. The ones who were studying to become Doctors, Engineers and Teachers are definitely more into science than the other group I used to know.

Traditional_Ale · 11-21-2012, 05:05 PM

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Yeah, I knew a bunch of extremist Muslims here in Calgary and kind of distanced myself from them. Maybe if I were to take a cross section of those guys they would be rabid creationists as well. Most Muslims I know are the guys I went to University with. The ones who were studying to become Doctors, Engineers and Teachers are definitely more into science than the other group I used to know.

Sorry to be off the original topic, but I have a question for you.

How do more orthodox Muslims regard their more lax contemporaries, and do you think it differs from how more orthodox Christians/Catholics regard their more lax contemporaries?

_Q_ · 11-21-2012, 05:33 PM

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Sorry to be off the original topic, but I have a question for you.

How do more orthodox Muslims regard their more lax contemporaries, and do you think it differs from how more orthodox Christians/Catholics regard their more lax contemporaries?

It's tough to generalize honestly. I know a few guys that follow the Qur'an and Hadith pretty literally, pray 5 times a day, don't miss a single Friday Prayer service, don't drink, have sisters and mothers that wear hijab and all that, but don't really care for my lax lifestyle (which is pretty much none of what I detailed above). As long as I don't tell them that their way of life is wrong, they aren't hostile towards me. I did, however, have a Muslim co-worker that had a little clique of Muslims in the office and since I wasn't as orthodox as them, they tried to get me fired, which thankfully didn't work. So to answer your question, there's a wide range of reactions.

Cheese · 11-21-2012, 06:36 PM

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You mean these things?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq

I never really thought of them. If it's mythological, I assumed you can't see them with the naked eye. Sort of like angels, jinn, etc.

Let me clarify again....when you were in Muslim Sunday school and thought how silly the ark theory was...did you think the same thing about the prophet riding a flying horse?