Tougher immigration measures for newlyweds introduced

[Jacks]

I don't get the logic around here. Unless it's a massive problem then we shouldn't bother fixing it. If they let it get to the point of being a massive problem then everyone would be complaining that the government didn't fix it when it was a small problem.

Originally Posted by flameswin

lol, this reminds me of rebublicans in the states trying to make a big deal out of voter fraud.

3000 people a year is nothing.

What is your opinion of 1394 complaints of phone calls during the last election, was that significant?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I don't get the logic around here. Unless it's a massive problem then we shouldn't bother fixing it. If they let it get to the point of being a massive problem then everyone would be complaining that the government didn't fix it when it was a small problem.


What is your opinion of 1394 complaints of phone calls during the last election, was that significant?

If we have unlimited resources then sure, fix away.

The fact is that it's a miniscule issue, if there's a simple solution then sure go for it, but don't blow it up into something that needs to be urgently addressed.

[HELPNEEDED]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Thats 3000 per year of "documented" cases. How many more undocumented cases are there?

Nothing at all wrong with tightening up our immigration regulations. I just fail to understand the ambivalent attitude towards cheaters, on here.... as if its ok and just the cost of doing business.

What is wrong with you man? You want dogs = humans, but immigrants out?

3000 is nothing. Actually, you want to know a fact, the more immigrants the better. The more people in canada the better, simply because they will give birth to chidlren in canada and up the natural canadian number.

So short sighted.

[FlamesAddiction]

I guess it depends on why they are an illegal. Was there a reason why they didn't go through the proper channels?

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I don't get the logic around here. Unless it's a massive problem then we shouldn't be putting a large amount of resources into fixing it If they let it get to the point of being a massive problem then everyone would be complaining that the government didn't fix it when it was a small problem.


What is your opinion of 1394 complaints of phone calls during the last election, was that significant?

fyp

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by valo403

If we have unlimited resources then sure, fix away.

The fact is that it's a miniscule issue, if there's a simple solution then sure go for it, but don't blow it up into something that needs to be urgently addressed.

What unlimited resources? how dramatic. Looks like is was a simple fix and who said it was "urgent"?

They ammended the law so that people who are sponsored by marriage have to live together for 2 years. Does that require some resources? maybe. It also requires resources to keep the Russian lady on welfare and pay for her health care after she clearly cheated the system to gain residence. She won't be contributing to the economy and won't be birthin no babies either.

Originally Posted by Rathji

fyp

No, you didn't.

[HPLovecraft]

Since we're declaring our political allegiances in our signatures now . . .

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

God damn Mexicans! Border jumping and . . . wait, what country is this?

Filipinos, in Canada we call them Filipinos.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

What is wrong with you man? You want dogs = humans, but immigrants out?

3000 is nothing. Actually, you want to know a fact, the more immigrants the better. The more people in canada the better, simply because they will give birth to chidlren in canada and up the natural canadian number.

So short sighted.

I don't know where you got dogs = humans but whatever as its not the least bit applicable here... just another personal snipe which as usual, is par for the course for you.

As to immigrants out? Wtf? Who said that? I only want the illegal ones out.

Looks like you would be happiest if we just opened up the borders to everyone? Show up and you're automatically a Canadian? Get real.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Jacks

What unlimited resources? how dramatic. Looks like is was a simple fix and who said it was "urgent"?

They ammended the law so that people who are sponsored by marriage have to live together for 2 years. Does that require some resources? maybe. It also requires resources to keep the Russian lady on welfare and pay for her health care after she clearly cheated the system to gain residence. She won't be contributing to the economy and won't be birthin no babies either.


No, you didn't.

I'm not referring to this change in particular, I have no problem with it, I'm responding to the idea that Canada has an issue with illegal immigrants that needs to be addressed. It's at best a very small issue, if one at all.

[rubecube]

Kenney's just mad he still can't find a nice, young man to marry him.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I don't know where you got dogs = humans but whatever as its not the least bit applicable here... just another personal snipe which as usual, is par for the course for you.

As to immigrants out? Wtf? Who said that? I only want the illegal ones out.

Looks like you would be happiest if we just opened up the borders to everyone? Show up and you're automatically a Canadian? Get real.

So question time, I assume you would be willing to admit that there would be diminishing returns when you attempted to remove more and more illegal immigrants. Once the low hanging fruit is gone, it would take more and more resources to get the illegals out.

So taking that into consideration, how much would you be willing to spend? As much as it takes? or would you realize that you cannot do everything and only do the things that will give you the biggest impact in those numbers?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by valo403

I'm not referring to this change in particular, I have no problem with it, I'm responding to the idea that Canada has an issue with illegal immigrants that needs to be addressed. It's at best a very small issue, if one at all.

Estimates range from 35,000 to 120,000 illegal immigrants in Canada. Canada has become known as a country that is fairly easy to get into illegally and one that doesn't put a lot of resources into kicking you out.

Anything the government can do to easily fix this, I'm all for. The change in the marriage rules is one example of this.

I just don't understand why so many people willing accept the flaws in the system and are meh when it comes to easily made changes. To me its like accepting government corruption and saying its ok because everyone does it and its only a problem in small percentage of contracts (which is what I'm sure the people in Quebec have been saying for years... and look where they are at now).

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Rathji

So question time, I assume you would be willing to admit that there would be diminishing returns when you attempted to remove more and more illegal immigrants. Once the low hanging fruit is gone, it would take more and more resources to get the illegals out.

So taking that into consideration, how much would you be willing to spend? As much as it takes? or would you realize that you cannot do everything and only do the things that will give you the biggest impact in those numbers?

^^^ this of course. There will always be illegal immigrants. You will never completely eliminate the problem (and it is a problem because they are cheating the system), but if the government can make changes that don't cost a lot of money to help alleviate the problem, I'm all for it. No different than catching tax cheaters. There comes a point where it just isn't worth it to spend the money trying to catch everyone... you just do the best you can without bankrupting the system.

[PsYcNeT]

I, for one, am tired of all these illegals coming to our country and taking all the crappy jobs.

THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TRAILER PARKS PEOPLE.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I, for one, am tired of all these illegals coming to our country and taking all the crappy jobs.

THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TRAILER PARKS PEOPLE.

Yeah.. thats right... somebody here has to protect our white trash.

[ma-skis.com]

Not saying this is justifiable for why people choose to enter Canada illegally, but keep in mind that many people with qualified skills and have followed the rules, spending time (years) and money to come here are denied despite other promises

here

About 280,000 would-be immigrants, stuck on a waiting list of people who applied to come to Canada more than four years ago, were told as a result of the recently passed federal budget to start the process from scratch.

[flamesfever]

nm

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by valo403

I would say you have an incredibly warped view of global illegal immigration. 15,000 is nothing.

This number has nothing to do with marriages of convenience (MOC). This number represents people seeking entry into Canada illegally by means of using false documents, most if not all would be refugee claimants.

The true numbers of MOC's will never be known. Most are not reported because of cultural issues, pure embarrassment, or complete ignorance of the sponsor. (not even realizing it was a MOC). But I can say this, from my experience in the law enforcement field the numbers are in the thousands. In 2011 there were approximately 50,000 sponsored spouses to Canada. If 5,000 of those were MOC's, that is a significant percentage. Even if 1,000 were MOC's that is still 2%.

Most Canadians that are victims of MOC's truly believe they have entered into a legitimate relationship. The Canadians are the true victims. Spending potentially years of their life and significant money to brings these people to Canada.

Understand, that the people who commit these MOC's most likely would never be allowed entry into Canada. Because spouses who are sponsored to Canada to not need to meet any of the skill requirements or points that all other immigrants require. Defrauding a Canadian to sponsor them to Canada is like winning the lottery of life.

Why would anyone defend this? Why would you minimize the seriousness of this crime? This is not a victimless crime. It some cultures, once a female in particular is divorced, they are treated as damaged goods. You could have a young 20 something female become a victim of a MOC because of an arranged marriage. Once divorced, in certain cultures she may never be married again because of the stigma.

What about the people who come to Canada legally? How fair is it to them that these fraudsters get to jump the line and avoid all the requirements that everyone else needs to come to Canada.

This rule helps, but the new rule that Kenny put in place a year ago will help the most. If someone is sponsored as a spouse, that sponsored person cannot then sponsor anyone else for 5 years.

This change is needed and will do nothing but strengthen the immigration system and ensure the integrity of the program.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by valo403

Please tell me you have an idiotic 'they tuk r jubs' argument behind this. Please!!!

You can never have a respectful debate can you. You never change.