Another politician sticks their foot in their mouth...

[Dion]

NSFW!

[Hatter]

I would gladly have taken some of the recalled meat. Give it to college students!

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

I miss the old days when we just gave them one way bus tickets to BC.

[Azure]

Actually, it is a great idea.

If you cook it right you can avoid any e-coli issues, and setting up something similar to a soup bank would work great.

I would gladly buy some of that meat at a reduced price.

[Julio]

Originally Posted by Azure

Actually, it is a great idea.

If you cook it right you can avoid any e-coli issues, and setting up something similar to a soup bank would work great.

I would gladly buy some of that meat at a reduced price.

As somebody who works in food service, I have to agree. When this all started I was talking about how while there is a huge failure at the plant in Brooks, people also failed to properly cook the beef. Otherwise, it seems like half of North America would be sick.

[albertGQ]

Let them eat steak

[Ozy_Flame]

Obviously the homeless are immune to E.Coli. Every knows that.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Julio

I was talking about how while there is a huge failure at the plant in Brooks, people also failed to properly cook the beef.

I've said it before but frankly, if the beef is not pink and bloody then you failed to properly cook beef.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Obviously the homeless are immune to E.Coli. Every knows that.

Since when could you get an img as your user title?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Julio

As somebody who works in food service, I have to agree. When this all started I was talking about how while there is a huge failure at the plant in Brooks, people also failed to properly cook the beef. Otherwise, it seems like half of North America would be sick.

But hey, lets totally twist what Smith said and just forget to actually ignore what are actually facts here.

[GP_Matt]

Can't they irradiate the meat to kill the E.Coli?

It does seem wrong to throw it all out. One the positive side this means that they will have to buy a bunch of new cows from the ranchers who have been spending a ton on feed waiting for already fattened cows to be sold.

[Devils'Advocate]

If it is a matter of people cooking the meat wrong, then why have the recall at all? Just tell people what the proper way to prepare their meat is and avoid the costly recall.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

If it is a matter of people cooking the meat wrong, then why have the recall at all? Just tell people what the proper way to prepare their meat is and avoid the costly recall.

Politics, Public Perception and Risk.

If a politician does nothing and one child dies they will never get re-elected so they push for a recall.

A Majority of the public will not think rationally about the risk and therefore refuse to buy the tainted meat and in future refuse to buy from that company. The public is really poor about risk assessment as each year only a handful of people contract or die from ecoli and around 2000 die in car accididents but which risk are people more concerned about. So you have to do the recall because people panic

And finally risk. Cost of the recall vs paying out lawsuits when people get sick. Even if you publicized the outbreak and told people to cook meat properly you would always have a small percentage of outbreaks. Cross contamination from knives, cutting boards, dish clothes, countertops etc would lead to some infections so the simple assessment would be Cost of Lawsuit x number of deaths + cost of damge to reputation = x. If x is greather than the cost of a recall you do the recall.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

If it is a matter of people cooking the meat wrong, then why have the recall at all? Just tell people what the proper way to prepare their meat is and avoid the costly recall.

Because a lot of people eat rare beef, and not all of them are going to hear about or remember that they need to overlook this particular batch. Since that's a reasonably foreseeable risk, they need to recall it.

I wouldn't accept the tainted meat, not because I'm afraid of getting sick, but because I refuse to eat a well done burger.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Since when could you get an img as your user title?

Since this...

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...&postcount=352

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by gargamel

Because a lot of people eat rare beef, and not all of them are going to hear about or remember that they need to overlook this particular batch. Since that's a reasonably foreseeable risk, they need to recall it.

So if Bob brings home tainted meat from the food bank but doesn't have a chance to tell his wife that it is tainted, she sees it in the freezer and prepares it for the kids.... Basically those that have the tainted meat are at a greater risk of getting sick than those that have untainted meat?

Giving food that is more likely to make you sick to the poor and keeping the untainted meat for the more well off doesn't sit right with me. Maybe we can give them Soylent Green.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

So if Bob brings home tainted meat from the food bank but doesn't have a chance to tell his wife that it is tainted, she sees it in the freezer and prepares it for the kids.... Basically those that have the tainted meat are at a greater risk of getting sick than those that have untainted meat?

Giving food that is more likely to make you sick to the poor and keeping the untainted meat for the more well off doesn't sit right with me. Maybe we can give them Soylent Green.

I thinks that why you couldn't give it to the food bank. You would have to cook it first and use it at places like the Mustard seed or sell it with large disclaimers at a discounted rate. If you are giving it away through a food bank I don't think you are letting people make an informed choice

Even though in the above case the risk is very low and in fact the husband is more likely to die in a car accident picking up the meat then the kids would contract ecoli.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

So if Bob brings home tainted meat from the food bank but doesn't have a chance to tell his wife that it is tainted, she sees it in the freezer and prepares it for the kids.... Basically those that have the tainted meat are at a greater risk of getting sick than those that have untainted meat?

Giving food that is more likely to make you sick to the poor and keeping the untainted meat for the more well off doesn't sit right with me. Maybe we can give them Soylent Green.

You're not keeping untainted meat for the well-off. You're actually saving usable meat from the landfill and providing an option to soup kitchens that would never have access to this amount of meat over a course of years. Obviously, you couldn't just hand out meat from the back of a truck, but you sure don't have to garbage it all. Just cook the dang stuff.

[Slava]

Our food demands are shocking to begin with. Honestly, take a spin through the produce at any major store and notice how perfect it all is. People won't buy an apple with a little tiny bruise on it. Stores won't even have a "marked down" section for things like that, where there is really no health risk at all. Say 80-90% of that apple is totally fine and people will use these things for all kinds of cooking, let alone just eating. Yet, you can't buy them or any other "damaged" food items. Its shocking in the sense that food is so expensive and with arable land decreasing and populations increasing we know that the prices will continue to rise.

So, bearing that mind, there are people honestly advocating that a store that won't sell bruised apples should now sell meat that has potentially been contaminated! Its more than amusing, its ridiculous! Put whatever warning out you want and (A) very few people would actually buy it (B) if one person gets sick, let alone dies, and you as the store knew it was contaminated and you get sued, for sure.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by zuluking

You're not keeping untainted meat for the well-off. You're actually saving usable meat from the landfill and providing an option to soup kitchens that would never have access to this amount of meat over a course of years. Obviously, you couldn't just hand out meat from the back of a truck, but you sure don't have to garbage it all. Just cook the dang stuff.

Exactly. I'm sure the homeless people all over Alberta would be thrilled at the prospect of getting a good meal. Probably closer to a hundred good meals considering how much of it there is.