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Old 10-20-2012, 04:58 PM   #21
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I can sort of see the concern outside of their strength.

Like the original post said, women might make guys inclined to do riskier things in battle to protect them and what not.

That is just going off of my admittedly nothing close to military experience. I've never been in anything close to that situation so I don't know if that is a valid concern but in the article, it did sort of make sense.
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Old 10-20-2012, 09:09 PM   #22
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My thought is that if they are given the training, then give em the work.....I have seen gi Jane .....
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Old 10-20-2012, 09:26 PM   #23
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The real question is why are we letting men with all their testosterone and irrational decision making into combat?
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:20 AM   #24
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God damn, you really have an axe to grind with men, eh?
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:33 AM   #25
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Women could probably kick some serious ass in combat.... 1 week a month!
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:05 AM   #26
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I can sort of see the concern outside of their strength.

Like the original post said, women might make guys inclined to do riskier things in battle to protect them and what not.
I wonder if this is really a real concern or just a bunch of bluster from a defence department though. Is there much study in this regard?

I've never served, so I can't tell you what the culture is like. I suspect though that if we take a slice from a sports league, we'd get similar culture clash results from dropping a women into the locker room as we would if we put one in a front line squad. Does anybody know how Wickenheiser's foray into a men's league went in this regard? Or, even better, can somebody who's been in the military confirm that these two would be reasonable for comparison?

I'm pretty open to the idea of assigning according to ability, so affirmative action makes no sense. But if a woman is legitimately as good as the men, then we go ahead, as long as the decision makes the most effective combat unit. If, for extreme example, the woman causes all the men to become useless in combat (well, her side. If she caused the other side to do so, then put one in every squad ), then we've got a major problem. This might be something we'd need to test first.

To summarize: I'm not against it, as long as it doesn't impact the overall fighting capability as a whole. If the front line units are just as good with a female soldier, I see no reason to deny.
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God damn, you really have an axe to grind with men, eh?
Think about the idea that women shouldn't be in combat because men would become irrational. Should those type of people be allowed to have a gun in the first place? My point is that only those with a childish view of gender would ever try to not include women. Making fun of men in the process is my way of pointing out how socially acceptable it is to #### on women but when you do the same to men everyone freaks out.
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Jeannie Crosby, who served in the Air Force for 20 years, says there’s a basic issue that underlies this discrimination: respect—or lack thereof.

One of the major reasons cited for why women can’t serve in some roles is the need for separate sleeping quarters, and particularly the worries about women being subject to sexual crimes. And unfortunately, these worries are still all too well-founded.

For Amanda Downs, who was a corporal in the Marines from 2007-2011, this rationale is quite a valid reason for excluding women from certain positions. Downs knows this because when she was in Military Operational Specialty School, she was raped. And she didn’t say anything until a couple years after—because one of her superiors told her she would get in more trouble than the man who raped her because she was drinking underage.

Down says that until we can get a better handle on these types of crimes, we simply will not be able to safely integrate women into positions like the infantry.
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If they can do the job, I don't care. Same ideal applies regardless of gender for any job.
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Think about the idea that women shouldn't be in combat because men would become irrational. Should those type of people be allowed to have a gun in the first place? My point is that only those with a childish view of gender would ever try to not include women. Making fun of men in the process is my way of pointing out how socially acceptable it is to #### on women but when you do the same to men everyone freaks out.
You have some serious blinders on if you don't think our society has given a green light to make fun of men.
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