Pathetic Calgarian May Yee Polegato. Gets Nothing for Destroying her Dog

[polak]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

So a one off incidnet of abuse is OK?

Depends what your definition of "abuse" is.

If my dog or someone elses dog was being presistently aggressive to a person, I wouldn't have a problem giving it a hard smack. If it started to become a threat and there was no way of removing the dog out of the situation I would follow it up with a harder smack.

Is that abuse?

Using lethal mouse traps.

Is that abuse?

Destroying a wasps nest.

Is that abuse?

Dog sleds.

Is that abuse?

Hunting for sport.

Is that abuse?

Are you only going to apply stricter laws to animals that you think are cute and cuddly? Are some animals exempt because there viewed as worker animals? wild game? pests?

I'm just saying, it's not a black and white issue.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Isn't it only a puppy? it doesn't look very big. I want to puke after viewing that initial picture.

Was a there a nail attached to the 2X4? how can it rip the skin to shreds like that without breaking every bone in the dog?

I believe he was about four years old. Adult bulldogs can range from 20-70 lbs.
They are generally very short, making them look lighter/younger than you might think.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Was a there a nail attached to the 2X4? how can it rip the skin to shreds like that without breaking every bone in the dog?

Corners and edges of a plank of wood can do enormous amounts of damage.

[Bertuzzied]

I hope they charge all the vet bills to her too. That would be more than $5k.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by polak

Depends what your definition of "abuse" is.

If my dog or someone elses dog was being presistently aggressive to a person, I wouldn't have a problem giving it a hard smack. If it started to become a threat and there was no way of removing the dog out of the situation I would follow it up with a harder smack.

Is that abuse?

Using lethal mouse traps.

Is that abuse?

Destroying a wasps nest.

Is that abuse?

Dog sleds.

Is that abuse?

Hunting for sport.

Is that abuse?

Are you only going to apply stricter laws to animals that you think are cute and cuddly? Are some animals exempt because there viewed as worker animals? wild game? pests?

I'm just saying, it's not a black and white issue.

Why are you even arguing this? you know you can have a stricter maximum penalty right? Not everything has to be given that maximum penalty. In this case she should get the maximum. A year in jail and a lifetime ban on owning pets seems about right.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Why are you even arguing this? you know you can have a stricter maximum penalty right? Not everything has to be given that maximum penalty. In this case she should get the maximum. A year in jail and a lifetime ban on owning pets seems about right.

I only expressed worries cause animals present a lot of variables.

I said multiple times that scum like this May Yee deserve more. Oh and I don't understand how she(?) can ever be allowed to have pets again. That is ridiculous.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by polak

Depends what your definition of "abuse" is.

If my dog or someone elses dog was being presistently aggressive to a person, I wouldn't have a problem giving it a hard smack. If it started to become a threat and there was no way of removing the dog out of the situation I would follow it up with a harder smack.

Is that abuse?

Using lethal mouse traps.

Is that abuse?

Destroying a wasps nest.

Is that abuse?

Dog sleds.

Is that abuse?

Hunting for sport.

Is that abuse?

Are you only going to apply stricter laws to animals that you think are cute and cuddly? Are some animals exempt because there viewed as worker animals? wild game? pests?

I'm just saying, it's not a black and white issue.

I am no expert, but is violence a good dog training tool?

Lethal mouse trapss generally (in my experience) snap the body in two killing it quickly.

Destroying a wasps nest, wow, now I know why it took you so long to respond. Depends, if you round up all the wasps and pull their wings off then slowly kill them, then yes. If you spray a designed agent into the nest that kills them quickly, no.

Dogs sleds, hmmm, I am going to go with no. IIRC sled dogs are bred to run, and enjoy running.

Hunting for sport, don't support it. Hunting for food and the "whole" animal is used, got no issues with it.

I believe you are confusing the meaning of "abuse". In this context abuse means to "maltreat".

I am still interested in your response to this post:

I think those who are against animal abuse (the vast majority) don't make any distinction for "certain animals."

Not sure what you think is a pest animal. Gophers perhaps, destroying grain fields? They shouldn't be abused either. They may need to be dealt with (culled), but it can be in a humane way.

I'd be very interested under what scenario you see abuse as "okay".

[saskflames69]

People like her are the reason why I wish animals could magically pick up a 2x4 and beat the living snot out of their abusive owners.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Reaper

I wish they had published her picture with the article. Not for vigilante purposes but so she could face a public shaming so intense that she'd ride out of town on a rail.

They need to publish her photo for vigilante purposes.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by polak

I'm just saying dealing with animals isn't always a black and white issue.

Cases like this where its obviously constant abuse, yeah, there should be hell to pay but I'm sure there are a lot of cases that are dealt with that are not so cut and dry.

It is cut and dried. If it causes an animal to suffer, don't do it. Pretty simple. if you can't understand that, I don't know what else to say.

Harsher penalties in general are needed.

[polak]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am still interested in your response to this post:

I did address it.
I asked are we okay with treating pets, working animals and wild game differently?

And I said I'd be okay with smacking a dog that was acting agressive towards humans.

Originally Posted by Zevo

It is cut and dried. If it causes an animal to suffer, don't do it. Pretty simple. if you can't understand that, I don't know what else to say.

Harsher penalties in general are needed.

So does this only apply to pets?
Hunting, Racing, Farming, Pest Control all cause suffering to animals in various degrees.

This is getting off track.

All I ment to say was that the different varaibles that are presented when dealing with animals can make things complicated and thats why I'm not crazy over raising all punishments.

However I'm all for raising the max for cases like this.

[HELPNEEDED]

Originally Posted by polak

Depends what your definition of "abuse" is.

If my dog or someone elses dog was being presistently aggressive to a person, I wouldn't have a problem giving it a hard smack. If it started to become a threat and there was no way of removing the dog out of the situation I would follow it up with a harder smack.

Is that abuse?

Using lethal mouse traps.

Is that abuse?

Destroying a wasps nest.

Is that abuse?

Dog sleds.

Is that abuse?

Hunting for sport.

Is that abuse?

Are you only going to apply stricter laws to animals that you think are cute and cuddly? Are some animals exempt because there viewed as worker animals? wild game? pests?

I'm just saying, it's not a black and white issue.

yes to all your questions

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by polak

I did address it.
I asked are we okay with treating pets, working animals and wild game differently?

And I said I'd be okay with smacking a dog that was acting agressive towards humans.



So does this only apply to pets?
Hunting, Racing, Farming, Pest Control all cause suffering to animals in various degrees.

This is getting off track.

All I ment to say was that the different varaibles that are presented when dealing with animals can make things complicated and thats why I'm not crazy over raising all punishments.

However I'm all for raising the max for cases like this.

Are you being intentionally obtuse? I'm pretty sure I said any animal, so no, that doesn't just apply to pets.

Hunting...I hope the animal is killed outright and doesn't suffer. Hunting for sport shouldn't be done, and even then they aren't being abused.

Racing...No, the animals shouldn't suffer and in most cases they don't.

Pest control...Should be done humanely, and I think in most cases is.

Farming... There is a difference between raising an animal for food and abusing an animal.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

yes to all your questions

So you are a vegetarian, I would assume?

[polak]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Are you being intentionally obtuse? I'm pretty sure I said any animal, so no, that doesn't just apply to pets.

Hunting...I hope the animal is killed outright and doesn't suffer. Hunting for sport shouldn't be done, and even then they aren't being abused.

Racing...No, the animals shouldn't suffer and in most cases they don't.

Pest control...Should be done humanely, and I think in most cases is.

Farming... There is a difference between raising an animal for food and abusing an animal.

The problem I see is that we have different thresholds for what constitutes suffering for animals that are:

-Being hunted: How often do hunters get an instant kill
-Bred for sport: Just look at rodeo, calf roping...etc
-Pest control: Are you going to charge someone who may have accidently dealt with pests in an inhumane manner? Surely poison and lethal traps should be illegal considering there are non-lethal options right?
-Farming: Stuff pigs, chickens, cows into tiny pens where they sit in their own filth all day

and finally

-Pets: If you saw someone roping a German Shepard like they do a calf at the rodeo or killing them by shooting them in the body, surely you would have a fit. Just like when people saw video of puppy farms, which in reality, aren't that much different than most farms.

P.S. I don't really have any issue with rodeos or lethal traps or anything like that...

[Zevo]

Are you actually arguing that it's okay for some animals to suffer? All I'm saying is no animals should be abused...period.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Are you actually arguing that it's okay for some animals to suffer? All I'm saying is no animals should be abused...period.

What? I'm saying that we are okay with putting some animals through more suffering than others.

I'm arguing that increasing penalties across the board for animal abuse scares me because of what can be interpreted as abuse and how it changes depending on different types of animals.

It takes one overzealous animal rights group (no lack of those) and one judge to set some scary precedence.

And to be honest, I know absolutely nothing about animal abuse laws so maybe I'm completely out to lunch when I say that something like that could happen.

[HELPNEEDED]

Originally Posted by Knalus

So you are a vegetarian, I would assume?

No, what does that have to do with his questions?

[Yakbutter]

If you don't want to dog why not just find another owner for it? What's the point of beating it to death with a 2x4?. Evil woman.

[hkstylez]

Someone should do the same to her.