Shooting @ Texas A&M

[saskflames69]

Originally Posted by MattyC

^^^ Isnt the fact that its an issue at all kind of troubling? I know this didn't happen AT the school, but there have been cases that have. As a student, a born American and raised Canadian, I have not once got to school with any thought in my head of possibly being shot at. Ever. Is that the case for kids in the States? Seems like theres a school shooting every year now almost.

Thats a serious question not a jab.

I believe that bomb threats towards schools are more common in Canada now than gun-related incidents. I do have second cousins in Minnesota who attend high school and they mentioned rumors of some kids keeping pistols in their lockers.

Personally, I don't worry about that sort of thing happening at my school.

[Coach]

I know you're talking about HS, which of course has the risk. But at college university would have a higher chance of this occuring due to the fact that a lot (all?) of the students are old enough to purchase their own firearms. I'm just curious if it would factor into someones choices of school? And if so I just have to say that the thought never even crossed my mind when I was picking.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by MattyC

^^^ Isnt the fact that its an issue at all kind of troubling? I know this didn't happen AT the school, but there have been cases that have. As a student, a born American and raised Canadian, I have not once got to school with any thought in my head of possibly being shot at. Ever. Is that the case for kids in the States? Seems like theres a school shooting every year now almost.

Thats a serious question not a jab.

Yeah it's scary, I never thought about that too much either. Hell at the JUCO I went to last year they had 4 guys arrested one day in the class room that were known gangsters and had felony warrants out for their arrest. They also had weapons on them at the time. Just shows that it really doesn't matter if you ban weapons the bad guy/gal will get their hands on em and don't care about laws.

I honestly think one of the biggest issues is the police themselves. They seem too scared to deal with the gang issue and with most departments strapped for cash they rely on more traffic tickets to help pay for things.

The US has a strange issue that most countries don't have. We have a large Gang issue that the police seem to care about, we have an open boarder to the south that the government doesn't seem to care about, and that southern boarder is where most of the illegal drugs and guns are coming from. We have a government that will almost do anything to get their agenda moved along (both sides of the aisle) I mean, we had out own federal government smuggling full auto guns across the boarder to get their agenda passed, this ended up killing two federal agents too.

It's a scary world, with the election coming up all the dingbats are out.

I know that I don't see eye to eye with a lot of folks on here politically but I try not to argue with you'll, you're my digital friends and we all don't have to see eye to eye. The reason why I'm saying this is because I've had a few heated discussions on CP before and I don't want this to go that route also.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by seattleflamer

Come on....


If that is the left's agenda (which it isn't), it has been a miserable failure.

Gun rights tend to get reinforced based on the increased number of background checks for gun purchase after these type of shootings.

I'm saying that gun control is a hot button topic and with sensational press the ones that want it gone will push it to the forefront and make it a bigger issue (2 shot not 20) I'm just saying in cities like Chicago this happens all the freaking time but it's not on the CNN news all the time.

I'm all for guns and gun ownership, I'm also for more lack for a better word regulations on how one gets a gun. No matter how many laws/restrictions one puts on getting a firearm some crazy will slip through the cracks and get it legally, just like how their are idiots who have no business being behind a wheel of a car but they got their license and have been through 5 cars in 3 years.

[Coach]

Fair enough. I agree with pretty much everything you said. The US has been too worried about problems beyond its borders for the past few years that the problems at home dragged behind and are now catching up in a big and scary way.

And I agree that first and foremost you need a government that is, at least a tiny bit, willing to agree with people on the other side.

For the record, I have no problem with people owning guns for the purposes of hunting and what not. I see no reason why an ordinary citizen would need an automatic assault rifle though.

[saskflames69]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I know you're talking about HS, which of course has the risk. But at college university would have a higher chance of this occuring due to the fact that a lot (all?) of the students are old enough to purchase their own firearms. I'm just curious if it would factor into someones choices of school? And if so I just have to say that the thought never even crossed my mind when I was picking.

It's hard to say which schools have a higher chance of this sort of thing taking place. It could happen at any school at any time.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by MattyC

For the record, I have no problem with people owning guns for the purposes of hunting and what not. I see no reason why an ordinary citizen would need an automatic assault rifle though.

They are really, really fun to fire.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by saskflames96

It's hard to say which schools have a higher chance of this sort of thing taking place. It could happen at any school at any time.

Exactly. Would you have given up Virgina Tech for a crappy school?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by PIMking

It's coming close to the election so all the crazies are out

and

gun control is the hot button issue right now for the lefty's and any time there is a shooting with "mass" amount of 2 people getting shot the spam media will blow it up to get their political agenda passed

Actually, if you haven't been paying attention, every time there is a major shooting event (or a Democrat gets elected President), the far right and NRA drum up the "They're going to come for your guns" chant, which promptly sends gun sales skyrocketing. Obama coming for your guns? He didn't, didn't stop a massive spike in gun sales after he was elected. Colorado shooting going to tighten gun restrictions? Certainly doesn't look like it, gun licensing spikes after the event. The "lefty media" may try and promote a culture of exceptionally tight gun control, but the results seem to indicate its the NRA who usually benefits the most from these incidents.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I know you're talking about HS, which of course has the risk. But at college university would have a higher chance of this occuring due to the fact that a lot (all?) of the students are old enough to purchase their own firearms. I'm just curious if it would factor into someones choices of school? And if so I just have to say that the thought never even crossed my mind when I was picking.

Legally in the US you have to be 21 to purchase a Pistol, 18 to buy a rifle or shotgun
you also have to be 21 to purchase pistol ammo and 18 to but long gun ammo

I find it weird that we have 18 year old kids that are handed a full auto rifle and told to hunt down Saddam but they cant have a beer stateside.

We need a better education system, I'm a firm believer that education is the most important thing to a country followed by security and health care. Education would help with a lot of this crap but we are as a country blind and numb to things like this thanks to violent things becoming mainstream like gangsta rap and idolizing Tupac and Biggie.

It's amazing that more violent crap has happened since wars have been able to be shown on the nightly news (vietnam) and the generations after are numb to death, hell I grew up watching German and American soldiers walking around airports with full auto rifles and constant crap from the soviets invading and then watching the first gulf war on tv as a young child.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

They are really, really fun to fire.

So allow gun ranges to hold certain guns where people can go and fire for free. Or they can have their own guns but have to keep them in a sanctioned armoury. I dont know. I understand they are fun to fire, I just dont get why you have to have one in your house....

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Fair enough. I agree with pretty much everything you said. The US has been too worried about problems beyond its borders for the past few years that the problems at home dragged behind and are now catching up in a big and scary way.

And I agree that first and foremost you need a government that is, at least a tiny bit, willing to agree with people on the other side.

For the record, I have no problem with people owning guns for the purposes of hunting and what not. I see no reason why an ordinary citizen would need an automatic assault rifle though.

Well the one used in the CO shooting wasn't automatic assault rifle.

To get an automatic rifle here in the states you need a class III license. You have to pass a uber strict federal background check to get the okay from them. I have a squeaky clean record and couldn't get the okay. Then your county Sheriff has to sign it and that is before you can drop the 10k on an automatic rifle.

It's hard legally to get a full auto rifle in the country.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Actually, if you haven't been paying attention, every time there is a major shooting event (or a Democrat gets elected President), the far right and NRA drum up the "They're going to come for your guns" chant, which promptly sends gun sales skyrocketing. Obama coming for your guns? He didn't, didn't stop a massive spike in gun sales after he was elected. Colorado shooting going to tighten gun restrictions? Certainly doesn't look like it, gun licensing spikes after the event. The "lefty media" may try and promote a culture of exceptionally tight gun control, but the results seem to indicate its the NRA who usually benefits the most from these incidents.

I can't stand the NRA, I have never been part of them because they're nothing but just another Washington lobbyist and don't care about their members as long as the checks keep coming in.

[Komskies]

Looks like 3 dead, including the shooter.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by MattyC

So allow gun ranges to hold certain guns where people can go and fire for free. Or they can have their own guns but have to keep them in a sanctioned armoury. I dont know. I understand they are fun to fire, I just dont get why you have to have one in your house....

Here in Alabama I know one range that lets you rent a full Auto rifle for like $60. You can't leave the range obviously and there is a range officer on duty at all times. It's an indoor range and they're hardcore about safety. I've seen them kick people out for leaving a weapon loaded and pointed down range but they laid it on the table in front of them.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by MattyC

So allow gun ranges to hold certain guns where people can go and fire for free. Or they can have their own guns but have to keep them in a sanctioned armoury. I dont know. I understand they are fun to fire, I just dont get why you have to have one in your house....

Duh for the zombies...

If you've never fired a full auto rifle before you probably wouldn't hit the side of a barn.

Hell most have a hard time double tap with a small round like the .223 and keeping it on paper at 100 yards

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I can't stand the NRA, I have never been part of them because they're nothing but just another Washington lobbyist and don't care about their members as long as the checks keep coming in.

They aren't just another Washington lobbyist...I cannot think of too many lobby groups more powerful than the NRA. Despite being a relatively small group (less than 5M members if I remember), they sure do wield a ton of power and influence.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Komskies

Looks like 3 dead, including the shooter.

too bad that it wasn't one dead including the shooter.... Everyone of these dumb ass's that do this crap needs to be hung the next day in the city center. No wasting tax money on their "insanity claim" and feeding them in a climate controlled room the rest of their lives.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

They aren't just another Washington lobbyist...I cannot think of too many lobby groups more powerful than the NRA. Despite being a relatively small group (less than 5M members if I remember), they sure do wield a ton of power and influence.

Well hopefully I can put this in a way that it sounds right in my head.

Think of it like this, when the US started to rebel against the King the English tried to take the guns away from the colonist. If the colonists didn't have weapons they would have been at the mercy of the King, same goes for the Germans when Hitler took power and Chavez in Venezuela. If they disarmed the public they wont have to worry about them rebelling in such a fashion that they could actually do something.

A defenseless populists is an oppressed populist, now translate that into the rednecks at the NRA, people in Washington know that they have crazies just like every group but they're scared of those crazies because they most likely have weapons.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.The Strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government" - Thomas Jefferson.

[Tinordi]

Ehhh only three dead, this is like any other Monday.