Obesity

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[Svensational]

lmao that woman has no shame XDDDDDDDDDDD

[TSXCman]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I was at Safeway today and saw a very large women getting out of a car. She was parked in the Handicapped spot.

Is obesity really a handicap?

keep in mind that overly obese and especially with older people, there are mannny problems that tag along with the fat. knee problems, ankles, skin diseases, heart diseases, etc. Most overly obese people can have a very quick and easy approval of handicapped privileges

[Shin Pad]

Obese persons should not be allowed to drive - so they should have to walk everywhere - thus they will lose weight. If they don't want to walk anywhere, they will starve - thus losing weight. Win either way.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by DropIt

All probably a result of being obese

So? That wasn't the question, nor should it have been.

If someone had got into an accident because they were drunk out of their mind and ended up handicapped, would that matter?

"Hey stupid, I don't care if you are handicapped, you need to park in the tiny space in the back because it happened due to your own stupidity"

I don't think so.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Rathji

So? That wasn't the question, nor should it have been.

If someone had got into an accident because they were drunk out of their mind and ended up handicapped, would that matter?

"Hey stupid, I don't care if you are handicapped, you need to park in the tiny space in the back because it happened due to your own stupidity"

I don't think so.

maybe that would stop drunk drivers................I doubt it, but maybe....

[WetCoast]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Obviously you don't have any family members or friends who are grossly overweight.

Of course not. We eat them in the winter.

[bcsoda]

I am so enraged by this entire thread. I have so much I could write about this, if I had more time I would, but this will have to suffice for now.

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I was at Safeway today and saw a very large women getting out of a car. She was parked in the Handicapped spot.

Is obesity really a handicap?

While obesity itself may or may not be considered a handicap, just because someone is obese does not mean that is the reason she is using the handicap parking spot. There are so many things that could allow a person to use this parking space, and those health issues could be completely unrelated, caused by, or a cause of this person's obesity. It is not your place in any way to judge whether or not she should be allowed to make use of this parking space.

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

If anything, it's an advantage. So much more surface area to rest your drinks, burgers, tacos and pizza upon.

That's just ignorant. While some people are ok with their weight, not all of them are. And nobody I know who is obese uses their body as a resting area for the food they are consuming, that's just ridiculous stereotyping that you're using to get "thanks" on a forum.
Binge eating disorder is a serious disorder that affects many people, and everyone deals with it differently and their bodies react to it differently. The problem with the fat shaming that occurs in society today is that many people who are obese will starve themselves all day in an attempt to fight against this, which then ends up having the opposite affect that they want by slowing down their metabolism and drastically increasing their hunger. Additionally, there has been research that has strongly linked weight to genetics, so that puts many people at a larger disadvantage than others.

Originally Posted by Lobotroth

Supremely obese people should have to park in the furthest spaces from grocery stores, restaurants, etc. so that it discourages them from eating and gets a bit of exercise in their lives.

I've spoken with many overweight and obese individuals who have stated that due to this fat shaming that is seen in society, they may have the desire to exercise, but they are ashamed to be seen exercising in the gym, on the street, or wherever else. People make fun of others who are obese or overweight for not exercising enough, and then make fun of how the individuals look while exercising. No one wants to be stuck in an embarassing situation, so it's understandable to not want put yourself in that.

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

In the immortal words of Jesse Ventura when told it was a glandular problem:

It's a glandular problem alright...the hand to mouth gland.

Originally Posted by Ben_in_Canada

As someone entitled to 'privileged parking' this bothers me a lot.
I hardly ever use the parking spots because I feel like an ass when I see someone who really needs it miss out, and it is 99.999% always some fatty, whose only issue is they're fat taking up the spots.

IMO, no, being a fat ass is not a handicap.

More fine examples of fat shaming. Go back to the genetics issue (not necessarily a glandular issue, but simply genetics), or how you're raised having a huge impact on how you deal with many things (including food and exercise). Also, studies have been done that show that people who feel ashamed of how they look are less likely to exercise. This is likely because if they're already ashamed of themselves then they don't feel like they're worth the effort. Not to mention what I said above about people bullying them. Way to perpetuate this, I hope you're proud.

Originally Posted by DropIt

All probably a result of being obese

Maybe her handicap is to do with obesity, or maybe it's to do with a million other reasons. Did you know that it's been proven that people can be perfectly healthy at just about any size? The weightloss industry drives into our heads that you can't be healthy without being skinny, which is a huge myth, but it's a myth that they grossly profit off.

Originally Posted by fotze

A new helpneeded term for these people (if we really should call them people) is handifatted.

These people make me want to wretch.

I don't even know what to say to this. Why do you care so much about how other people look, and why is it your job to be so judgemental? Do you gain something out of putting people down and fat shaming? See above for why fat shaming does exactly the opposite of what you're hoping.


The bullying that you guys have displayed as adults is disgusting. Fat shaming doesn't just affect individuals who are obese, it causes eating disorders and body image issues in people of all sizes because they're constantly being told that their worth is defined solely by how they look and the number on their scale.

[flamesfever]

I would guess there are a fair number of obese people on CP. It would be interesting to know how many.

Check your bmi or body mass index.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I would guess there are a fair number of obese people on CP. It would be interesting to know how many.

Check your bmi or body mass index.

Not really a good way to check obesity. I've got about 10% BF now, but would be definied as "overweight" by my BMI.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I would guess there are a fair number of obese people on CP. It would be interesting to know how many.

Check your bmi or body mass index.

Can't see the scale, sorry.

Just take my word for it and put a tally in the fat column for me, will you?

Originally Posted by blankall

Not really a good way to check obesity. I've got about 10% BF now, but would be definied as "overweight" by my BMI.

Overweight != Obese by the BMI scale

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by bcsoda

I am so enraged by this entire thread. I have so much I could write about this, if I had more time I would, but this will have to suffice for now..

bcsoda deserves more than just a "thanks". Bravo! Well said.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by bcsoda

Binge eating disorder is a serious disorder that affects many people, and everyone deals with it differently and their bodies react to it differently. The problem with the fat shaming that occurs in society today is that many people who are obese will starve themselves all day in an attempt to fight against this, which then ends up having the opposite affect that they want by slowing down their metabolism and drastically increasing their hunger. Additionally, there has been research that has strongly linked weight to genetics, so that puts many people at a larger disadvantage than others.

There are few disorders/diseases that make obesity inevitable, one of them being a leptin deficiency which affects very few people. This paragraph of yours makes it sound like everyone who is overweight is a helpless, peer pressure driven ignoramus. Certainly obesity is linked to genetics, as well as a multitude of other things, but at the end of the day 99% of people have control over their weight, and most do not choose to exert it - willingly.

Originally Posted by bcsoda

I've spoken with many overweight and obese individuals who have stated that due to this fat shaming that is seen in society, they may have the desire to exercise, but they are ashamed to be seen exercising in the gym, on the street, or wherever else. People make fun of others who are obese or overweight for not exercising enough, and then make fun of how the individuals look while exercising. No one wants to be stuck in an embarassing situation, so it's understandable to not want put yourself in that.

I think that this piece of advice extends to a lot more than being ashamed of exercising, but at some point you just have to stop caring what people think. There are routes that exist to help people in this situation if they so desire.

Originally Posted by bcsoda

The weightloss industry drives into our heads that you can't be healthy without being skinny, which is a huge myth, but it's a myth that they grossly profit off.

Certainly skinny people can be very unhealthy, but the World Cancer Research Fund highest recommendation to preventing cancer is to be as lean as possible. I thought I'd provide an example rather than just claiming the opposite.

[Dion]

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[Devils'Advocate]

Mmmm.... BMI = crap.

I have to agree with bcsoda.... this thread is absolutely disgusting. The absolute contempt people have for overweight people is sad. Half of this thread is making fun of fat people, the other half is just plain insulting.

Both of my parents grew up in poor families. So when they both got middle class jobs, they would take us out to A&W, and MacDonalds, and stock the pantry full of Joe Louis and potato chips. Nutrition wasn't that big of a thing in the 70s, especially for blue collar workers. So the whole family was overweight. My brother and I adopted the poor diet our parents set for us. I was made fun of, bullied, ridiculed... with comments very similar to those made in this very thread. I became depressed and that only made me eat more. I took solace in food. It seemed to be the only thing that brought any kind of happiness. In 2009 I topped out at 340 pounds. At some point I realized that I shouldn't give a #### what others think about me and the real problem is that I didn't like MYSELF.

I've bored people with my story in a variety of other threads. My newspaper article is here:
http://www.yourottawaregion.com/print/1051637

But I didn't lose the weight because people were making fun of me. I lost the weight DESPITE the ridicule. I hated going to the gym at 340 lbs because of the finger pointers and snickers. There was a fellow here that put an ad up on Kijiji offering to clean someone's pool for the summer if he could swim there during the day. He didn't want to go to a public pool and be laughed at for his weight. It's the attitudes shown in this thread that make people feel like absolute crap about themselves and their lives.

[dutchmule]

Originally Posted by blankall

Not really a good way to check obesity. I've got about 10% BF now, but would be definied as "overweight" by my BMI.

Yeah, apparently hip-to-waist ratio is more accurate. Which also proves that you can be big and still healthy (i.e. not clinically obese) since it's just a ratio.
Just take an example, Zdeno Chara and Sidney Crosby both have a BMI of 28, so they're classified as "overweight / weight slightly above what's healthy". Yeah right, I'm sure they should exercise more

And seriously guys, the amount of stupidity displayed here in such a small number of posts is baffling. I hope for your sake that your wife and kids will never read what you wrote, cause they'd be ashamed.

[dutchmule]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

There are few disorders/diseases that make obesity inevitable, one of them being a leptin deficiency which affects very few people. This paragraph of yours makes it sound like everyone who is overweight is a helpless, peer pressure driven ignoramus. Certainly obesity is linked to genetics, as well as a multitude of other things, but at the end of the day 99% of people have control over their weight, and most do not choose to exert it - willingly.

I'm not that definite about that. I mean, I get why you'd say that, but I feel that it's assuming that people: a/ know all the information about what makes you fat and what not, b/ have the time to commit to eat better/cook their own meals and exercise, c/ have the money to buy better food, d/ are free of psychological biases or troubles. In practice, obesity is more prevalent in low income households, which makes b/ and c/ fail: processed foods are the cheapest (and the worst for you), and low-income families have less money to spend (basically, you'd get a healthy snack like an apple or something, but all they can afford is Cheetos), and fast food is very cheap around those parts and takes way less time than cooking at home and low-income families have less time to cook cause they have to worry about other urgent stuff. I'm not saying it's like that for everyone, there must be some lazy people who have the time but just can't be arsed to do something about it, but a lot of poor people are, say, single moms, that genuinely can't afford that time and money. And as for d/, with the fat shaming and all, I'm pretty sure a lot of fat people have low self esteem and feel lonely, pretty sure some fat people think "I can't do that, I'll fail and people will mock me" or something like that.

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

I think that this piece of advice extends to a lot more than being ashamed of exercising, but at some point you just have to stop caring what people think. There are routes that exist to help people in this situation if they so desire.

Like? Again, if you're poor, you can't afford therapy, and you also might not have time or energy for transcendental meditation or socializing or whatever. I know you can say "then make time for it", but it must be more complicated than that when you're behind all your bills and your kid is sick and you can't afford a sitter.
And if you just mean "come on, stop caring about what other people think", pretty sure it's very hard, that you have to have good friends to support you for that anyways, and that when you're being publicly bullied, made fun of, laughed at by loudmouths, this advice sounds pretty inadequate... I'm not saying some people can't do it, just that it's not an advice that works in general.

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

Certainly skinny people can be very unhealthy, but the World Cancer Research Fund highest recommendation to preventing cancer is to be as lean as possible. I thought I'd provide an example rather than just claiming the opposite.

This is interesting - do you know if it's any cancer, or more the colorectal and other gut-related cancers?

[jar_e]

Not to derail, but wasn't there a hilarious thread by jolinar a couple years (?) back about the same sort of deal? Funny how threads seem to go in cycles.

[Lobotroth]

Originally Posted by Lobotroth

Supremely obese people should have to park in the furthest spaces from grocery stores, restaurants, etc. so that it discourages them from eating and gets a bit of exercise in their lives.

I apologize to those who may have been insulted by my post.

[flylock shox]

A big part of the problem comes down to two things: 1) the dangers of being overweight/obese being overstated; 2) the "moral" element that goes along with obesity in popular culture, i.e., that obese people are "bad" or moral failures.

Overweight people (and I'm using the BMI classification terminology here) live longer, healthier lives than "normal weight" people. "Obese" people don't suffer from significantly increased health problems until their BMIs reach (going by memory here) 35 and up. The rate of childhood (age 20 or under) diabetes amongst females - child diabetes having received no shortage of press - is roughly 1/20th the rate of childhood disordered eating among females, which has received disproportionately less press.

There is so much portrayal of thin/fit as "good" in our culture, and thick/fat as "bad" that people (as demonstrated in this thread) have no issue blaming, deriding, discriminating against, and persecuting obese people - all justified in their minds because the "obese" person has some kind of moral failing. This isn't just an individual thing - it is institutionalized as well.

What this results in people being bullied, made to believe they are less worthy, less attractive, bad people.

If you have kids, particularly young girls, attitudes like some of those expressed in this thread, should be of significant concern to you.