more vote of confidence drama

[V]

Umm, perhaps you didn't read my post, and just hit the quote button and arbitrarily chose a response? I said I'd rather see neither.

And there are some kinds of freakiness that I'm into. For some reason I enjoy seeing someone squeeze their whole body through a tennis raquet.

But dudes in assless chaps leading around other dudes on a dog leash? Meh, doesn't crank my tractor, you could say.

[Resolute 14]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank+Jun 14 2005, 01:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Frank the Tank @ Jun 14 2005, 01:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Just curious ...

is he a bigot on other matters, or are you assuming that based on his non support of same sex marriage?

A bigot is defined as follows: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.


Mainly his stance on same sex marriages. The fact that he bailed on his party plays a lot into it as well. Kind of the old "I'm taking my net and going home" crap because he doesn't agree with everything his party does. [/b][/quote]
Depending on how liberally you apply that definition, everyone can be a bigot.

What makes O'Brien a greater bigot than the normal© man?

[Natt]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank+Jun 14 2005, 08:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Frank the Tank @ Jun 14 2005, 08:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Yeah they tend to always vote for the same party and people no matter what or who they are.

Kinda like Alberta.

I'd argue that Ontarians are worse than Albertans for that. [/b][/quote]
Well, I'd love to hear what you have to say. Just because I've found that provincially AND federally, Albertans consistently vote Conservative. Since I've lived here, since my mother has lived here, we can't remember a time when Alberta wasn't right wing or run by Tories.
Ontario on the other hand has at least elected a provincial NDP, Conservative, and Liberal government in the last 20 years, in fact, Mike Harris was in power for quite some time and he was Conservative.
I do agree that Ontario votes Liberal almost all the time federally though. However, on rare ocassions, they have elected Conservative governments. We all remeber Brian Mulroney don't we? And Joe Clark... Yet, Alberta never has those rare moments like Ontario. It seems we have none at all.

[Hack&Lube]

Well you could argue that Ontario has flip-flopped a couple of times due to instability. Here in Alberta, aside from a few oil crashes in the early 80s and early 90s, it's been remarkably stable so we keep the Tories in power...and BC is just a bunch of tree-huggers

[Bingo]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Jun 14 2005, 01:43 PM
Depending on how liberally you apply that definition, everyone can be a bigot.

What makes O'Brien a greater bigot than the normal© man?

Exactly ...

If a person thinks all gay people are subhuman, inferior, etc than I have a big problem with them.

If a person doesn't believe the definition of marriage should be altered to reflect same sex marriage then I think he's being true to his belief system, and not a bigot at all.

And ... if he believes that his own constituents are largely against something then he's being true to the representative system that Canada supposedly has in place - and would therefore be an actual representative and not a person just blindinly following the party line.

I didn't make much of a fuss for Cadman to go with the Liberals on the nonconfidence vote as he stated his consituents backed it, do you know for certain that O'Brien isn't doing the same?

[octothorp]

Alberta has had one change of ruling provincial party in the last 70 or so years, going back to the 1935 election. We have never in our entire history, elected a provincial minority government. During that same timeframe, we switched our federal allegiences twice (to Conservative and then to Reform). Other than the years 62-68 and 93-2000, we voted for the same party provincially and federally. We are as predictable as they come.

[Resolute 14]

Actually, the ruling party has changed. UFA --> Social Credit --> Progressive Conservative. The ruling theology has not though.

But yes, we are predictable. Mainly because both federally and provincially, the liberals offer us no reason to vote for them, and the NDP are just way too far to the left. And yes, I realize this is a generalization.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Jun 14 2005, 09:57 PM
But yes, we are predictable. Mainly because both federally and provincially, the liberals offer us no reason to vote for them, and the NDP are just way too far to the left.

Well from my point of view it's not that the Liberals "offer us no reason to vote for them". It's more a case that Albertans in general are more conservative than a lot of the rest of the country so they vote for the more Conservative of the current political landscape.

[Bingo]

Originally posted by Flames Draft Watcher+Jun 14 2005, 03:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flames Draft Watcher @ Jun 14 2005, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Snakeeye@Jun 14 2005, 09:57 PM
But yes, we are predictable. Mainly because both federally and provincially, the liberals offer us no reason to vote for them, and the NDP are just way too far to the left.

Well from my point of view it's not that the Liberals "offer us no reason to vote for them". It's more a case that Albertans in general are more conservative than a lot of the rest of the country so they vote for the more Conservative of the current political landscape. [/b][/quote]
That and little ditties like the NEP might keep things somewhat entrenched in blue. A very conservative province, for sure, but if you have a a feeling that only Eastern needs are being served I think it's pretty easy to fall off the fence.

[FlamesAddiction]

With the conservatives slipping in the polls, I imagine that they won't want to head for an election right away, therefore some are bound to support the budget.