New video shows Vancouver Police shooting injured, unarmed man in the head

[Senator Clay Davis]

Well the VPD is apparently so corrupt that the Alberta Serious Incident Response Team (ASIRT) will be reviewing this. Witnesses had been saying the man was not attacking while the officers said he has. Video seems to corroborate the witnesses account. With an independant, external review now on the go, I feel more hopefully this murdered will go to prison.

The video also corroborates some witness accounts, which varied during the initial investigation and the 2010 coroner’s inquest.

“There were police officers saying he was crawling, police saying he was attacking,” Eby said.

“Some [witnesses] said he was falling, creeping, crawling towards the officers. All kinds of different words used to describe his movements. The video really clarifies that.”

After a Coroner’s Inquest in 2010 revealed witness testimony that differed from the 2009 investigation that cleared Chipperfield, the BCCLA wrote to the Criminal Justice Branch and asked for a review of the evidence, which the attorney general’s office declined.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/vid...231/story.html

[Travis Munroe]

My take:
Tons of police around,
Guys been shot numerous times
Crawling on all 4's
Not once was the defense of "I thought he was armed" or "Reaching for another weapon" brought up. Instead, they used that they were not sure if he was armed....No kidding, your not sure if 99% of the population is armed when you look at them.

Had this cop not shot the guy, another one of them was surely about to jump on the guys back, cuff him and go through the motions.

The only way I would be on the cops side is if he was all alone...which he wasnt.

[afc wimbledon]

The trouble with these situations is always that the participants at the time are amped up with adrenaline and as such damn near unable to make good decisions, I can see the cop had commited to a course of action, shooting the guy, and then tunnel vision and stress makes it very difficult to think through clearly and change the plan half way through.

[jeffh]

Did I hear correctly(in the CBC video) that the "attacker/victim" had a bullet-proof vest on? If thats the case a Taser may not have done much.
Whatever happened to the old tried and true method, ya know, a good ol beat down? I guess the cops didn't want to dirty their boots. Reaching for their batons may have been too cumbersome... But at least he'd still be alive...and maybe back on his meds.
One more thing, did the same cop who fired the 9th shot, fire all of the previous 8 shots?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Well the VPD is apparently so corrupt that the Alberta Serious Incident Response Team (ASIRT) will be reviewing this. Witnesses had been saying the man was not attacking while the officers said he has. Video seems to corroborate the witnesses account. With an independant, external review now on the go, I feel more hopefully this murdered will go to prison.



http://www.vancouversun.com/news/vid...231/story.html

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's standard procedure to have the police department from another jurisdiction come in to investigate in order to maintain objectivity. It looks bad when you are investigating yourself.

[VO #23]

Originally Posted by jeffh

Did I hear correctly(in the CBC video) that the "attacker/victim" had a bullet-proof vest on? If thats the case a Taser may not have done much.
Whatever happened to the old tried and true method, ya know, a good ol beat down? I guess the cops didn't want to dirty their boots. Reaching for their batons may have been too cumbersome... But at least he'd still be alive...and maybe back on his meds.
One more thing, did the same cop who fired the 9th shot, fire all of the previous 8 shots?

The cop (Chipperfield) apparently thought the victim was wearing a bullet-proof vest.

This video/incident just cements my view that the Vancouver Police needs to adjust its hiring policies massively, away from hiring intimidators and bullies and towards people trained in showing respect and compassion to the citizens they serve as well as their job's function within society.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The trouble with these situations is always that the participants at the time are amped up with adrenaline and as such damn near unable to make good decisions, I can see the cop had commited to a course of action, shooting the guy, and then tunnel vision and stress makes it very difficult to think through clearly and change the plan half way through.

It seems to me that the police should actively hire and train for dealing with stressful situations.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by jeffh

Did I hear correctly(in the CBC video) that the "attacker/victim" had a bullet-proof vest on? If thats the case a Taser may not have done much.
Whatever happened to the old tried and true method, ya know, a good ol beat down? I guess the cops didn't want to dirty their boots. Reaching for their batons may have been too cumbersome... But at least he'd still be alive...and maybe back on his meds.
One more thing, did the same cop who fired the 9th shot, fire all of the previous 8 shots?

From the CBC article...

The video didn't capture the entire event in which Boyd — who was suffering from bipolar disorder and paranoia — fought with police, striking two officers with a bicycle chain and lock.
The video also doesn't show Boyd absorbing punches from police, blows from their batons and even several bullets fired to his midsection, yet not giving up.

They tried "dirtying their boots". Wasn't too effective.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

It seems to me that the police should actively hire and train for dealing with stressful situations.

They do, as I was and am, but, in an apropo example, on Saturday morning two guys turned up on my doorstep to beat seven bells out of my foster son (which he probably deserved to some degree), I am very used to and calm headed in these situations, I have dealt with this kind of crap most of my working life, I kept them both out of my house, physically throwing one out as he was trying to throw a punch at me, all the while keeping a calm non threatening voice so the dude didn't decide to beat me instead. It was text book conflict res'.

Afterwards as I was trying to fill in the report for the cops I had no clue how long it went on for, when it started, what the guy looked like or what he was wearing for that matter, I was totally focused on his hands and eyes, I was none the less completely useless for an ID, hugely embarresing for me as I am supposed to be profesional, it just all caught me off guard and I went totally by instinct

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

It seems to me that the police should actively hire and train for dealing with stressful situations.

What you are ignoring is that in stressful situations there is an activation of the sympathetic nervous system and participants in that situations, regardless of their profession have similar responses, in that they have an increased heart rate, auditory exclusion and tunnel vision. While it seems like what the police officer did in this situation was wrong based on this video (and it does look that way), I am not going to call him a thug or a murderer just based on the fact that he was put into a potentially volitile situation that I wasn't there and I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't go out looking to shoot someone in the head.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

They do, as I was and am, but, in an apropo example, on Saturday morning two guys turned up on my doorstep to beat seven bells out of my foster son (which he probably deserved to some degree), I am very used to and calm headed in these situations, I have dealt with this kind of crap most of my working life, I kept them both out of my house, physically throwing one out as he was trying to throw a punch at me, all the while keeping a calm non threatening voice so the dude didn't decide to beat me instead. It was text book conflict res'.

Afterwards as I was trying to fill in the report for the cops I had no clue how long it went on for, when it started, what the guy looked like or what he was wearing for that matter, I was totally focused on his hands and eyes, I was none the less completely useless for an ID, hugely embarresing for me as I am supposed to be profesional, it just all caught me off guard and I went totally by instinct

This is a nice example of the kind of thing the police deal with all the time: heat of the moment decision making and reacting based on limited information. Their decisions are then picked apart by people who have the full benefit of all the facts, hindsight, and an absence of emotional connection to the events in question.

[Senator Clay Davis]

If at least 5 officers cannot subdue a suspect who doesn't posses a lethal weapon, and I don't think of a bike chain and lock as lethal enough to not subdue after being beaten and shot multiple times, then we need to seriously wonder what the hell is wrong with our police. At some point, after I don't know 5 shots? Maybe they could get him under control? Its the final shot, the kill shot, that is totally uncalled for. I'm guessing there were several points where this could have ended without this guy having to be killed.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by NuclearPizzaMan

Finish Him!!!

Fatality!

for shame

i have an image of you watching the snuff film and laughing

way to go man

flawless dooshery

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

What you are ignoring is that in stressful situations there is an activation of the sympathetic nervous system and participants in that situations, regardless of their profession have similar responses, in that they have an increased heart rate, auditory exclusion and tunnel vision. While it seems like what the police officer did in this situation was wrong based on this video (and it does look that way), I am not going to call him a thug or a murderer just based on the fact that he was put into a potentially volitile situation that I wasn't there and I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't go out looking to shoot someone in the head.

I'm not (and never did) calling him a murderer , I just don't think society should be paying him to walk around with a gun to protect us anymore.

Once you've demonstrated you don't react well in that situation, why would we risk putting you back in it?

I never said he went out looking to kill someone, but the fact of the matter is he did. The standard for "you get to walk around with a uniform and a gun" should be higher than the standard for "we're going to keep you out of jail walking around with everyone else"

[Champion]

They knew they F'd up and woul dbe in trouble for already shooting the guy a few times. Pretty weak and pathetic. Shoot a guy 5 times and he is crawling and you can't control him?

Pathetic. Hope that cop is gone from the force for life. He shot that last one because he was already in too deep. Wouldn;t want the guy talking now would we.

Can;t even call this "man" a cop. A murderer is more like it.

[nik-]

I'm sorry, that many cops there and the man is crawling and they felt this was their only recourse? That is an execution.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Zevo

I'm equally amazed at how people can vilify all cops because of the actions of one cop.

Not aimed at you flameswin.

This is what is said several times a year though. Or at least once a year.

It's obviously not, 'one cop'.

I think the lure of power and ability to break the rules seduces a section of people we wouldn't want in the job into going for the job. I've met far more bad cops than good. Some stories I can't even share here. Maybe we need better psych evaluations and tests?

And for those that are going to say, hey it's a crappy job, not many people want it, it's not that easy. Then I say fine, increase the pay, make the job better for them, but keep the thugs out.

Unless this guy had already killed a police officer this case is so black and white it's stupid. His weapon, a bicycle chain of all things, had already been removed. There were multiple police officers. I'm sure they had tasers. This actually would have finally been a good use for one compared to all the liberal usage we've seen in the recent past. Even if they didn't they have clubs, and they are trained to take down suspects. Doesn't this happen anymore? It's become tase or shoot. No one wants to get their hands dirty anymore.

Sick.

EDIT: Exactly, forgot he had already been shot MULTIPLE times. And you still can't stop him?! I agree with the posters saying that the officer may have just been taking out a witness.

Make an example of this cop. Manslaughter or murder. (are those terms we use up here, or are those the US TV terms?)

[OffsideSpecialist]

Is it just me, or does this stuff happen in Vancouver at a disproportionately high rate of occurance?

[Canehdianman]

If the police forces throughout Canada are seriously looking for a way to re-acquire some of the public's trust that they have lost, here is a start:

murder for the officer who shot him.

accessory to murder for every other officer who lied about the incident.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Cops sure do make it really easy to hate them.

I got mugged by a Lebanese dude once - brown dudes sure make it easy to hate them.