Quebecers can jump health care queue by paying

[CaptainCrunch]

As it stands right now under the current system, public health care and the waiting issue has become a death sentence for some.

If there's any other way of fixing it that dosen't involve throwing a ton of money into the sink hole that its become I'm all for it.

Under the Quebec ruling where people who can afford private health insurance, isn't it logical that the so called rich people who can afford it are streamlining the system.

I mean for the most part this will create a entire industry of self sustaining clinics that can take the burden off of the public system that is woefully and by nature, inefficient, and I'm pretty sure that there will be heavy taxation on the insurance, and that money will find its way into the public system.

In my mind, and I could be wrong, under the current system, public healthcare is going to die sooner or later because its just not feasible.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@Jun 11 2005, 03:25 AM

I mean for the most part this will create a entire industry of self sustaining clinics that can take the burden off of the public system that is woefully and by nature, inefficient, and I'm pretty sure that there will be heavy taxation on the insurance, and that money will find its way into the public system.

In my mind, and I could be wrong, under the current system, public healthcare is going to die sooner or later because its just not feasible.

IF that happens, then it can be a good thing. That would be like creating more lines. The thing I am worried about though, is that it will allow wealthy people to cut in line of poorer people in the Canadian public health care system. It's not the same thing as what you are talking about.

The other worry is that the public system will be depleted of all skilled doctors and physicians creating massive gap in the quality of treatment. I'll never change my mind on the ideal that all people, regardless of income, should have accessibility to the best treatment. I don't want to see a system like in the U.S. where poor people have to settle for doctors who carely passed. I hope that isn't what is next to come in this country.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction+Jun 11 2005, 03:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FlamesAddiction @ Jun 11 2005, 03:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CaptainCrunch@Jun 11 2005, 03:25 AM

I mean for the most part this will create a entire industry of self sustaining clinics that can take the burden off of the public system that is woefully and by nature, inefficient, and I'm pretty sure that there will be heavy taxation on the insurance, and that money will find its way into the public system.

In my mind, and I could be wrong, under the current system, public healthcare is going to die sooner or later because its just not feasible.

IF that happens, then it can be a good thing. That would be like creating more lines. The thing I am worried about though, is that it will allow wealthy people to cut in line of poorer people in the Canadian public health care system. It's not the same thing as what you are talking about.

The other worry is that the public system will be depleted of all skilled doctors and physicians creating massive gap in the quality of treatment. I'll never change my mind on the ideal that all people, regardless of income, should have accessibility to the best treatment. I don't want to see a system like in the U.S. where poor people have to settle for doctors who carely passed. I hope that isn't what is next to come in this country. [/b][/quote]
I think that the ultimate aim is to find a balance point between what we have now, and what the American's are doing.

I agree with your questioning of keeping skilled doctors, but Canada is already suffering that problem where they can't attract decent doctors to rural areas, and public health care isn't going able to address that either.

If we can reduce the stress on the public system, and if we can reduce the number of money sucking beaurocrats maybe we could afford to pay doctors more, and have them stay in place.

Conversly the private clinics could probably be asked to do pro-bono work or dedicated hours to the public system. From a public relations aspect it would work well.

But one of the problems that we are also seeing right now is that Canadian med students and talented doctors are being enticed to the States where the pay is better, so we're already seeing a brain drain in the medical fields.

My sister is a very highly respected hemotologist, and she's been offered double or triple what she currently makes to move to the states, I think that the only thing that keeps her where she's at is family.

[HOZ]

I think you are missing the point. A private clinic doesn't mean you have to always pay out of pocket. Public monopoly, in anything, means wasted funds and bad service. Never fails


What we REALLY need in Canada is private delivery of service with public coverage!!!

That is how it is done in many CIVILISED places like here in Japan. MRI's can be done in hours here. Not months.

[FlamesAddiction]

That is not a bad idea HOZ. I'm not against privatization as long as there is equal accessibility for everyone.

I also agree with Cap'n that we should find a way to pay our doctors more to stop the brain drain.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally posted by HOZ@Jun 11 2005, 06:29 AM
I think you are missing the point. A private clinic doesn't mean you have to always pay out of pocket. Public monopoly, in anything, means wasted funds and bad service. Never fails


What we REALLY need in Canada is private delivery of service with public coverage!!!

That is how it is done in many CIVILISED places like here in Japan. MRI's can be done in hours here. Not months.

Isn't that just the same thing that we're doing now using a global health insurance to replace health care premiums.

[HOZ]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch+Jun 11 2005, 01:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CaptainCrunch @ Jun 11 2005, 01:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-HOZ@Jun 11 2005, 06:29 AM
I think you are missing the point. A private clinic doesn't mean you have to always pay out of pocket. Public monopoly, in anything, means wasted funds and bad service. Never fails


What we REALLY need in Canada is private delivery of service with public coverage!!!

That is how it is done in many CIVILISED places like here in Japan. MRI's can be done in hours here. Not months.

Isn't that just the same thing that we're doing now using a global health insurance to replace health care premiums. [/b][/quote]
No it is not. We have a complete monopoly by the government. Service and payment.