Graham James sentenced to two years for abuse of Fleury, Holt

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by CedarMeter

Unreal..Just take him out behind the barn and shoot this ####### already.

No kidding. I will personally shake the hand of whomever takes this guy out. Canadian justice system is a joke. I hope this 'judge' gets humiliated in every possible way.

I just heard on the radio that the judge took into account ''the humilation James endured over the course of the trial'' as a reason for the lenient sentence. Unf***ing believable.

[Bunk]

2 years is a shockingly short sentence. ugh.

[Lt.Spears]

Anyone he abused should be able to beat him 5000 times with a hockey stick.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by fredr123

What the judge is saying is that had these two sexual assaults been known when James was originally sentenced, it would have bumped his sentence up a bit from what he actually did receive. James is, in a sense, getting some credit for the fact that he was previously convicted and served time for those earlier known offences. Proceeding in this fashion prevents an offender from being locked up almost indefinitely because his victims come forward one at a time over time rather than everyone coming forward all at once. In this way, the guy who is convicted of sexually assaulting four kids is going to get the same or similar sentence no matter when the victims come forward. To do so otherwise would mean that James would receive a greater sentence because two of his victims came forward much later than the first ones.

Okay, so this means that he was sentenced to a total of 5.5 years in prison. Still really bad considering.

[habernac]

The boys he abused live with this for life. That's exactly what he should get as well. Very disappointed with this verdict.

[Milt Schmidt]

This is unbelievably brutal, everything about the way James has been dealt with is sickening, from the original sentence, to Harper pardoning him, and now this. I guess all that's left to find out is whether another "tough on crime" tory will pardon him again.

Milt

[Dion]

Put him in general population and let his fellow prisoners exact thier own revenge.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Milt Schmidt

This is unbelievably brutal, everything about the way James has been dealt with is sickening, from the original sentence, to Harper pardoning him, and now this. I guess all that's left to find out is whether another "tough on crime" tory will pardon him again.

Milt

Harper didn't pardon him. The system did. A system that long pre-dated this Conservative government. And since the government quickly revamped the pardon rules, James will not be getting another one.

In short, take your petty and ignorant Conservative-hating politics elsewhere. It doesn't belong in this thread.

[LGA]

It's an absolute travesty. The Canadian judicial system seems intent on coddling the criminals and telling them it's not their fault as opposed to punishing and possibly rehabilitating them for their crimes.

[CaptainCrunch]

Why would victims ever step forward if their complaints are basically going to be marginalized.

Victom - "He molested me and tried to put his $$$$ in my $$$$ your hono"r

Judge - "I get that, but think of the humilliation that he's suffered what with his name inthe paper and on the news, that poor poor man, excuse me, I need a quick recess to dry my eyes, the thought of this poor man being dragged through the cours is terrible.

But I have to punish him for two years even though he'll probably be out in two months, and may god have mercy on anyone under 18"

Victim - "Why even bother"

[Rerun]

I think Todd Holts and Theo Fleury's statement after the sentencing needs to be quoted in its entirety here...

Read by Todd Holt following Tuesday’s sentencing of their former junior coach, Graham James:

I stand here today, on behalf of not only myself and my cousin Theoren Fleury, but as a voice for every man.

For all the young boys, the old men and the ones that got stuck somewhere in between because of the most devastating type of abuse; sexual abuse inflicted on us by someone in a position of trust and authority. Theo and I were two of those who got stuck in that middle place between boy and man; we made some terrible choices and watched the life we were meant to lead spiral down the drain.
No longer.

Theo and I speak to men all over and we tell them: You, like us, are not alone; the effects are far-reaching and sometimes feel never ending, but there Is a place and time for healing. It is Now. I stand here today, a Victor over sexual abuse and I along with Theo, offer you our voice.
This sentence today is nothing short of a national travesty because we know that childhood sexual abuse has reached epidemic proportions in our country. Graham James once again perpetrated his crime and spread his sickness right through the courts of Canada.

He conned the judge with his “poor me” and “I regret” statements. His lawyer defended the indefensible, and he’s been rewarded for doing so and Graham James is laughing all the way back to the life he’s always led knowing that justice for him is but a blip on the radar.

Today as we speak there is a boy out there going about his life, dreaming his dreams and hoping his hopes … until … Graham James crosses his path. And cross his path he will, because that’s what he does; he preys upon the unsuspecting all the while knowing not much will happen to stop him.
The courts of Canada have guaranteed that. The saddest part is that there are Many Graham James; different names, in different towns and cities, in your own communities and yes, possibly even in your own families.

Yes, I said it. They are everywhere.

It is time that the predators know that they need to take notice and be scared — there is no place for you to hide; we are shedding light in those dark corners where you cower.

Theo and I call upon all Canadians, those who have suffered, and those who stand with the suffering, to demand that our government change the laws and empower justice to be all that it could be, and to do all that it should.

We are calling out to our politicians to stand up for the one in three girls and one in five boys who will be sexually abused before the age of 18 in our country. We are standing up against a weak justice system and demanding change now. Theoren and I are calling out to You, the people of Canada and the World to take this issue Now, to our politicians, and Demand change. Ask for, and receive answers, for Change and Real Justice, or simply refuse to cast your vote for that constituent.

My name is Todd Holt and I stand today, with Theoren Fleury, and with All those who have suffered or are suffering, as a Victor over sexual abuse and an Advocate for change.

http://www.thestar.com/news/www.thes...rticle/1149133

[CaptainCrunch]

Re-offendng rates for reported sex crimes

• Incest offenders ranged between 4 and 10 percent.
• Rapists ranged between 7 and 35 percent.
• Child molesters with female victims ranged between 10 and 29 percent.
• Child molesters with male victims ranged between 13 and 40 percent.
• Exhibitionists ranged between 41 and 71 percent.

http://www.csom.org/pubs/recidsexof.html

[Manhattanboy]

Funny how we don't hear a thing from Bob Rae and his caucus of Liberal apologists who vehemently opposed the Conservatives' crime bill which included minimum sentencing guidelines.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Re-offendng rates for reported sex crimes

• Incest offenders ranged between 4 and 10 percent.
• Rapists ranged between 7 and 35 percent.
• Child molesters with female victims ranged between 10 and 29 percent.
• Child molesters with male victims ranged between 13 and 40 percent.
• Exhibitionists ranged between 41 and 71 percent.

http://www.csom.org/pubs/recidsexof.html

I thought this was interesting (of the same article)

Studies of the recidivism of child molesters reveal specific patterns of reoffending across victim types and offender characteristics. A study involving mentally disordered sex offenders compared same-sex and opposite-sex child molesters and incest offenders. Results of this five-year follow-up study found that same-sex child molesters had the highest rate of previous sex offenses (53 percent), as well as the highest reconviction rate for sex crimes (30 percent). In comparison, 43 percent of opposite-sex child molesters had prior sex offenses and a reconviction rate for sex crimes of 25 percent, and incest offenders had prior convictions at a rate of 11 percent and a reconviction rate of 6 percent (Sturgeon and Taylor, 1980). Interestingly, the recidivism rate for same-sex child molesters for other crimes against persons was also quite high, with 26 percent having reconvictions for these offenses. Similarly, a number of other studies have found that child molesters have relatively high rates of nonsexual offenses (Quinsey, 1984).

[Ped]

Speaking of Canadian justice and judges

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/ar...-was-late?bn=1

[CalgaryFan1988]

Convicted Pedophiles should be permanently branded "PEDOPHILE" across their forehead for all to read. There should also be a national database of the residences of all pedophiles.

People can argue that they have rights, but I prefer to think parents of children have the right to protect their children and children have the right to protect their innocence.

Fleury and his cousin were both very brave for standing up for themselves, its very sickening and unfortunate that the judicial system let them down.

[jlh2640]

What a joke yet I am not surprised at all.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Convicted Pedophiles should be permanently branded "PEDOPHILE" across their forehead for all to read. There should also be a national database of the residences of all pedophiles.

People can argue that they have rights, but I prefer to think parents of children have the right to protect their children and children have the right to protect their innocence.

Fleury and his cousin were both very brave for standing up for themselves, its very sickening and unfortunate that the judicial system let them down.

I'd rather they coil red hot wire around their genitalia and give it a yank. Then tar over the area and jam a straw in it so they can relive themselves.

Either that or lobotomize them with an ice cream scoop.

Sorry, I just think pedo's are the scum of the earth.

[troutman]

Theo Fleury ‏ @TheoFleury14
Children are not safe in this country. Calling on the 8mil survivors to make a difference in the next election. Swing vote. #Harperout #RT

Read Theo Fleury and Todd Holt’s statement on the Graham James sentence

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...medium=twitter

It is time that the predators know that they need to take notice and be scared ~ there is no place for you to hide; we are shedding light in those dark corners where you cower.

Theo and I call upon all Canadians, those who have suffered, and those who stand with the suffering, to demand that our government change the laws and empower justice to be all that it could be, and to do all that it should. We are calling out to our politicians to stand up for the 1 in 3 girls and 1 in 5 boys who will be sexually abused before the age of 18 in our country. We are standing up against a weak justice system and demanding change now. Theoren & I are calling out to YOU, the people of Canada & the World to take this issue NOW, to our politicians, & DEMAND change. Ask for, & receive answers, for CHANGE & REAL JUSTICE, or simply refuse to cast your vote for that constituent.

[Flamenspiel]

The issue is that no one knows where these guys are, they could be in your neighborhood. Of course anyone with kids would want this information and when we had an extended stay on the US, I used this:

http://www.familywatchdog.us/

Found out about it in a movie with Clive Owen, it was in the movie and turned out to be a real website. Does anyone know if there is such a registry in Canada? The only one i could find is one that was for RCMP only.