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Old 03-05-2012, 10:09 PM   #21
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I think drunk drivers deserve their due, but I sure hope they never make it so police can just draw a sample on their own discretion. Think about what you are allowing. Suppose you have an accident and are slightly disoriented. Would you like it if some cop decides to take your blood just cause he can?
Maybe they can make it a condition of getting your license, if you get into an accident they are allowed to test for alcohol.
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:10 PM   #22
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Disgusting, needless death caused by another idiot drunk.

Should be charged with murder.
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This completely guilty scumbag murdered four people who were here just trying to provide a better life for their families. I cannot fathom the utter recklessness of this tragedy. I want him to die a slow and painful death. His refusing to blow proves to me that he doesn't care about his victims and isn't taking responsibility. In other words, he's a sociopath.
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:47 PM   #24
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Seriously, I agree he should strung up. But why should his relatives have anything to do with it? It was not their decision to be an idiot.
Because they grew up with it, bore witness to it and despite whatever efforts they did put forth, they failed. What good are you if you spawn that kind of thing. How does any good you have done in your life make up for not doing enough to stop something like this.

I bet everyone on this thread knows someone that has driven drunk more than once. Do the world a favour and take the person aside and have a sober one on one talk with them.

Think about this thread and how people felt the next time you think you are okay to drive. Think about it before you even head out for that good night of drinking.

We are somewhat misled to think that the law and police can protect us. They can't really. Police can only intervene after a crime has been committed. The police can't reach into our heads and stop us from doing something wrong. And the law is some abstract thing, a game of probabilities that doesn't seem to have a chance against you until it does. It is even further away after a beer or three.

Only people who know a person and have some influence over them can really make a difference.

And yes, I am being too harsh, everyone should be responsible for their own actions. Sorry for the rant. Anyone posting here is obviously disturbed enough and not the right audience for this. But four innocent people died.

I have already forwarded this thread to more than one drunk driver acquaintance with a, "This is how people will think of you the next time you aren't as lucky as you were the other night... Give me a call if you ever need a ride" comment.

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Old 03-05-2012, 10:57 PM   #25
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All well and good, still don't understand why relatives have to pay for his stupidity.for all we know they did exactly what you just said,and he never listened,or relapsed without there knowledge. The guy is a moron an the blame should be on his shoulders alone.

I sorta agree with what you are saying I just don't think his relatives or close family should be held responsible for his stupidity.
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:58 PM   #26
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Death penalty for drunk driver murderers. end of story.
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:58 PM   #27
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It would be awesome if someone invented some kind of chamber that a paddy wagon can be fitted with, that can detect alcohol levels just by a person sitting in it and breathing in it for some reasonable amount of time.
If a cop attends an accident scene and suspects a drunk driver, that person gets arrested either way, so it would be great if the police could get an accurate sample during transport of the suspected drunk driver.
I personally think that forcing someone to give a blood sample is too intrusive, and hoping that a suspect provides a breathalyser sample is too lax.
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Old 03-05-2012, 11:01 PM   #28
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I'd like to see it reformed so a warrant could be issued for the collection of blood or breath samples in cases like this where people are injured or killed by drunk drivers.

That way you could have fair judicial oversight and still have the ability to collect timely evidence in a totally fair system.

All we would need is to have a judge or prosecutor on call at night.
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Old 03-05-2012, 11:03 PM   #29
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All well and good, still don't understand why relatives have to pay for his stupidity.for all we know they did exactly what you just said,and he never listened,or relapsed without there knowledge. The guy is a moron an the blame should be on his shoulders alone.

I sorta agree with what you are saying I just don't think his relatives or close family should be held responsible for his stupidity.
Hopefully he has an uncommon last name. That would help a little...
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Hence why they should make it a condition on your license. Then there is no forcing breathalyzers. You get into an accident you already agree to having a blood test due to having the license.
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Old 03-05-2012, 11:05 PM   #31
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Hopefully he has an uncommon last name. That would help a little...
Oh I agree his name should released, he should have to live in shame the rest of his life.
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Hence why they should make it a condition on your license. Then there is no forcing breathalyzers. You get into an accident you already agree to having a blood test due to having the license.
I agree with this, isn't that a condition of the whole first time driver conditional drivers licenses?

I don't know if you can allow a clause into a contract that would allow you to incriminate yourself.

But I'm not a lawyer.
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Old 03-05-2012, 11:11 PM   #33
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I am not sure either but considering driving isn't a right but a priviledge,it gives you the choice if you don't agree with it there is nothing forcing you to get your license.besides I know a lot of work places with a drug and alcohol policy that is in their policy, if there is an accident the first thing that happens is a drug and alcohol test. So I can't see why it would be any harder to do with a drivers license.
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There was a report that he was driving in the wrong direction for 30 kilometres and that he swerved to hit a different vehicle just minutes before this collision. So sad and senseless.
If thats true then he was on a murder/suicide mission, drop the alcohol related charges and get the nitwit on four counts of 1st degree murder.
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Because they grew up with it, bore witness to it and despite whatever efforts they did put forth, they failed. What good are you if you spawn that kind of thing. How does any good you have done in your life make up for not doing enough to stop something like this.
You may have a point if you knew that these details were accurate, but you don't so you're talking out of your ass and putting blame on people who may well have absolutely no reason to be targeted.
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They could (in theory) force him to give a blood sample which they could get a sample with. (ie. strap him down and draw blood out)...obviously they don't do it, but there's other ways of getting a sample other than just breath.

Blood is property, you would need a warrant from a judge in order to extract it.
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I don't think it matters. The law treats it same if you blew over DRUNK when refusing. I hope he is named and shamed along with all of his relatives that obviously knew he was like this. Driving a Range Rover - hope his and those close to him get their deep pockets drained by this.
this is just stupid, sorry.

Hope the person spends the rest of their life in jail.
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:17 AM   #38
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I don't think it matters. The law treats it same if you blew over DRUNK when refusing. I hope he is named and shamed along with all of his relatives that obviously knew he was like this. Driving a Range Rover - hope his and those close to him get their deep pockets drained by this.
I'm all for severely punishing the guy responsible, but I'll have to disagree about making the relatives responsible. Why not punish relatives of murderers as well?
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:49 AM   #39
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This is really very sad for the victims and families. However, I am a little bit surprised about how many people think the death penalty or life is appropriate here. Murder? I have yet to see the evidence that he had any premeditaion or intent to kill anyone here. Involuntary manslaughter would be a good charge perhaps? Is this his first offense?

I would like to see a person like this punished and rehabilitated. He made a very big mistake and showed very poor judgement, but I can't see any proof of intent here. From the limited information I have seen, this could very well be an 18 year old kid that made a very stupid mistake.

I assure you I feel just as awful as any of you do about the victims and the families.
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I personally think that forcing someone to give a blood sample is too intrusive, and hoping that a suspect provides a breathalyser sample is too lax.
I don't see how a forced blood sample is too intrusive if you give the guy the option of a breathalyser. Four people died and you aren't going to help us determine what caused the accident because you're worried you'll get in trouble. Go fata yourself, we'll just get a needle.
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