Veterinarian Speaks Out on PETA and Westminister

[justkidding]

People are animals, too

[Zevo]

I have no problems with purebreds if the breeders just exercise some common sense. There are very good breeders out there that import breeding stock to keep the genetic lines as diverse as possible.

There are also people out to make a quick buck who will breed siblings and such. People just need to do some research before buying a purebred.

[Chump]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

While the cat can be cruel to the mouse the cat is not destroying the entire world by doing so like many of the things man does. One is based on instinct and nature, the other is based on greed and profit at the expense of anything.
We have to move forward as a race and look after our planet and fellow creatures a lot better than we do or our children are doomed. PETA is out to lunch though, there are some serious nutcases running that show.

In terms of the planet for future generations of humans we are definitely messing things up quite badly but in terms of the long term outlook of the planet the human race will end up being quite irrelevent. We may have caused the extinction of many life forms but new ones will evolve to replace them and the planet won't really be any worse off, just different.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Zevo

I have no problems with purebreds if the breeders just exercise some common sense. There are very good breeders out there that import breeding stock to keep the genetic lines as diverse as possible.

There are also people out to make a quick buck who will breed siblings and such. People just need to do some research before buying a purebred.

I have major problems with breed standards that, for the sake of the personal taste of a few judges and heads of an association, ensure that certain traits that are not good for the dog, like a German Shepherds sloping back legs or the king charles spaniels head being to small for its brain, are bred into all of the dogs and emphasised.

In every other animal we selectively breed them to be healthier, except dogs, who are bred to look a certain way regardless of health.



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[Zevo]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I have major problems with breed standards that, for the sake of the personal taste of a few judges and heads of an association, ensure that certain traits that are not good for the dog, like a German Shepherds sloping back legs or the king charles spaniels head being to small for its brain, are bred into all of the dogs and emphasised.

In every other animal we selectively breed them to be healthier, except dogs, who are bred to look a certain way regardless of health.



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To this in less than a hundred years is not what god or Darwin intended

Ya, I'm not a fan of certain breeds either for that reason. I do plan on getting a shepherd eventually and know a good breeder who emphasizes health over show standards. His dogs don't have such a sloping back.

There are a lot of healthy breeds as well. You can't paint all breeds or breeders with the same brush.

[Old Yeller]

People concerned with breed standards (ie) Dog show people) are usually not very well balanced individuals anyways.

[ranchlandsselling]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

While the cat can be cruel to the mouse the cat is not destroying the entire world by doing so like many of the things man does. One is based on instinct and nature, the other is based on greed and profit at the expense of anything.
We have to move forward as a race and look after our planet and fellow creatures a lot better than we do or our children are doomed. PETA is out to lunch though, there are some serious nutcases running that show.

Greed and profit?

You know what the point of that is thought right? Like dogs it's to mate with the best bitches . It's pretty simple. I want to be successful so I can pass that on to my successful offspring so they can succeed. I'm pretty sure they're both the result of instinct and nature. Ours is just much much much more advanced regardless that one day it might be our downfall!

[MRCboicgy]

I think we should just introduce a few more wolves, dingos and coyotes into the domesticated dog gene pool.

Not only would this refresh genetics, it would also help lower the human population by a couple here and there, not to mention the population of stupid small dogs.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Locke

Bitch be crazy.

PETA is a ####-house crazy organization of hypocrites who fund domestic terrorism. Nothing they ever say or do should be taken at face value. If you want to help out animals, the WSPA is a much better option

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Not saying I agree PETA's point of view but go ahead and explain to me how the planet would not benefit from the human race going extinct? You can't. I would love to see our race embrace the preservation of the planet but it isn't going to happen because mankind is more concerned with making a dollar and damn the consequences. Again, I am not advocating the extinction of my fellow man and she is looking at it the wrong way but her stance on the subject as far as the planet thriving is technically correct.

This planet has a fixed fate. Current estimates are that life might make to 2 billion years from now, but chances are the oceans will be gone in 1 billion years. Approximately 5 billion years from now the planet will be engulfed by the sun.

If you want anything to survive beyond these deadlines, humanity is the only hope to escape these fates. Nothing else has the ability to actively preserve and distribute life beyond the imprisoning gravity wells of the earth and our sun.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

This planet has a fixed fate. Current estimates are that life might make to 2 billion years from now, but chances are the oceans will be gone in 1 billion years. Approximately 5 billion years from now the planet will be engulfed by the sun.

If you want anything to survive beyond these deadlines, humanity is the only hope to escape these fates. Nothing else has the ability to actively preserve and distribute life beyond the imprisoning gravity wells of the earth and our sun.

What good is any of that if we destroy the planet in the next 200 years? At our current rate there is zero chance the planet is still around in 2 billion years, look how much damage we have done in the past 100.

[CaptainCrunch]

Until Peta is willing to start killing each other off hopefully on PPV T.V. to start the vuluntary extinction thing, she's talking out of her a$$.

Basically its another self believing intellectual that thinks she's smart.

There's a reason why human's have risen to the point that they are. We reason better then animals, we've evolved to the point where our surivival as a species surplants the survival of any other species.

We're not a cancer, we evolved in the same way as other species, we just managed to do it faster and better.

PETA is prone to exageration and hyperbole, its run by ######s who think they understand how things work and followed by people that are too lazy to do their own research. If there is voluntary extinction strategies, they can go first, I'll be right behind them (right)

Until someone proves it differently, we are one of the most adaptable species on the planet, we've earned our dominance, and because of that extinction of the species is that last thing that should happen.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by troutman

That is helpful, but more anecdotal evidence. What does science say?

In Padgett’s book, “Control of Canine Genetic Disease”, there is a list of dog breeds, including mixed and their identified problems. Mixed breeds top the list for number of problems with at least 220. The next highest on the list is poodles which have 145 problems and cockers 116. Still a high number, but still far fewer than mixed breeds.

George A Padgett:
George A. Padgett, DVM, professor of pathology at Michigan State University, is one of the world's most celebrated researchers, writers and lecturers on the entire subject of canine genetic diseases. He has published numerous papers and has appeared before close to 100 breed clubs, speaking on this specialty

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Chump

In terms of the planet for future generations of humans we are definitely messing things up quite badly

Really? Where in the world is average lifespan decreasing?

[CaptainCrunch]

So it must be the heaping glass of straight end of Friday I had a piss poor day triple sized glass of rum speaking.

But if they're looking for a kill squad, where do I sign up.

I figure I can start at the top of PETA and murder my way down.

my weapon of choice.

Dog's with bee's in their mouth that shoot bee's whenever they bark.

[Chump]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

Really? Where in the world is average lifespan decreasing?

I guess I didn't word that very well. What I meant is that we are destroying a lot of the environement and that future generations won't be able to enjoy some of the different species and habitats that we have wiped out.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Rerun

George A Padgett:
George A. Padgett, DVM, professor of pathology at Michigan State University, is one of the world's most celebrated researchers, writers and lecturers on the entire subject of canine genetic diseases. He has published numerous papers and has appeared before close to 100 breed clubs, speaking on this specialty

Obviously mixed breed dogs can get any number of problems, but that really isn't the issue, the issue is out of a thousand muts and a thousand pure bred king charles spaniels which will have the higher percentage of dogs showing genetic complaints, or, to take German Shepherds again, will a German Shepherd have a much higher chance of having hip problems then a mut.

It is basic genetics that if you constantly breed within a fixed group and don't introduce outside genetic material then eventually that group will become affected by inbreeding, muts have, by definition, lots of mixed genetic material where as commercial dog breeders, particularly puppy mills tend not to care or bother about it.

It is also utterly predictable that certain traits that have become breed standards are inherently unhealthy, bulldogs and sharpeis that have been bred to emphasise loose folds of skin have issues with rashes, skin complaints and eye problems purely they have been bred with extremely loose skin for appearence sake.

I don't have a problem with their being pure bred dogs, I have a problem with this becoming the majority of dogs out there, it used to be that most people had some kind of mut and a few people had pure breds, this meant that most dogs were bred as a result of family pets getting pregnant with a very few coming from breeders who by definition were small scale enthusiasts, it is the large scale production of pure breds by puppy mills in order to provide every to dick and harry with a dog that most cant look after properly as it is.

I have a mixed breed Jack Russel, everyone is amazed he is a quite calm dog, but that is precisely because he is a mixed breed, Jackies are a highly energetic and yappy hunting dog, I specifically looked for a mixed breed to deemphasise that trait.