Your kids will never see Star Wars unless you have the DVD with the unedited version. All your kids will see is some craptacular imitation version of Star Wars that somewhat resembles the movies released 77-83.
It actually doesn't matter. Until you see your kids having their own lightsaber battles in makeshift costumes you won't get it. Kids won't care that they haven't seen the original theatrical release. The movies are timeless regardless of the changes that have been made to them.
They're still great movies and characters that new and old fans love. You make it sound like the movies are totally unwatchable because of the changes that were made.
The only change I really don't like is the "Noooo" at the end of Jedi because it was better before but it doesn't make me never want to watch the movie again.
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It actually doesn't matter. Until you see your kids having their own lightsaber battles in makeshift costumes you won't get it. Kids won't care that they haven't seen the original theatrical release. The movies are timeless regardless of the changes that have been made to them.
They're still great movies and characters that new and old fans love. You make it sound like the movies are totally unwatchable because of the changes that were made.
The only change I really don't like is the "Noooo" at the end of Jedi because it was better before but it doesn't make me never want to watch the movie again.
It isn't that they are totally unwatchable. I just think there has been too much meddling. The movies are so much different than they were when originally released.
Your second sentence makes no sense to me at all. I don't see what watching kids play has to do with the fact that your kids aren't getting to see the same Star Wars movie that you did. It doesn't diminish their love of the show, if that's what you are implying I was suggesting. Your kids may not realize they're watching the same movie, but they're not. The franchise is timeless but unfortunately kids these days don't get to see the actual timeless films. They get to see craptacular versions.
The whole "you won't know until you have kids" makes no sense when I'm not talking about kids, I'm talking about the movies. I feel that your kids love a different Star Wars than we loved.
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watching them again with kids makes you realize it doesn't matter.
I think what you meant was that it doesn't matter to your kids that the movies are different. I took it to mean that it doesn't matter to you that they are different or that the movies are just as good as long as the kids like it.
To me it matters because they're watching something that is quite different from what we were watching. But I'm not disagreeing with the fact that they like it.
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It isn't that they are totally unwatchable. I just think there has been too much meddling. The movies are so much different than they were when originally released.
Your second sentence makes no sense to me at all. I don't see what watching kids play has to do with the fact that your kids aren't getting to see the same Star Wars movie that you did. It doesn't diminish their love of the show, if that's what you are implying I was suggesting. Your kids may not realize they're watching the same movie, but they're not. The franchise is timeless but unfortunately kids these days don't get to see the actual timeless films. They get to see craptacular versions.
The whole "you won't know until you have kids" makes no sense when I'm not talking about kids, I'm talking about the movies. I feel that your kids love a different Star Wars than we loved.
you know what's in with kids these days?
If you're really into starwars, you'd be following this series too
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What exactly is your complaint? You don't think the flashback story structure would be effective?
Complaint? What complaint?
I don't get why you'd want to take movies that are only vaguely related and mix them together.
I say vaguely related because the prequels have nothing, absolutely nothing, in common with the original trilogy except they take place in the same universe.
I think 4-6 is its own separate entity as are 1-3. Watch 4-6 for the real movies. Then if you want some backstory watch 1-3 or just 2 and 3.
I don't see the reason to break up the original narrative to insert 2 subpar movies that have a totally different feel to them.
If you're really into starwars, you'd be following this series too
Ok....
What does that have to do with the fact that the original movies that we saw are, IMO, quite different from the ones that are available for purchase on Blu Ray?
It actually doesn't matter. Until you see your kids having their own lightsaber battles in makeshift costumes you won't get it. Kids won't care that they haven't seen the original theatrical release. The movies are timeless regardless of the changes that have been made to them.
They're still great movies and characters that new and old fans love. You make it sound like the movies are totally unwatchable because of the changes that were made.
The only change I really don't like is the "Noooo" at the end of Jedi because it was better before but it doesn't make me never want to watch the movie again.
Not trying to downplay the enjoyment your kids get out of the movies, but they don't know any better. When they get older they will hear about the mysterious original versions, watch them, realize that Lucas lost the plot and made horrific changes to a classic, and feel the same sense of betrayal most adult star wars fans do now.
Besides, kids will like anything you throw on screen for them. But anyone who has any ability to critique what they watch will know that Lucas butchered the movies and their legacy.
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What does that have to do with the fact that the original movies that we saw are, IMO, quite different from the ones that are available for purchase on Blu Ray?
It has everything to do with the OP. Introducing Starwars to your kids
While everyone here is bickering about how to introduce the movies to kids, if they have access to TV, chances are, they probably have already seen Clone Wars or its spots
Sorry, I guess I shouldnt ahve quoted you since it was mwant to be directed to everyone
It isn't that they are totally unwatchable. I just think there has been too much meddling. The movies are so much different than they were when originally released.
You referred to the recent releases of the movies as a "craptacular imitation version of Star Wars". That just seems a little over the top.
Perhaps it's because my kids have recently become Star Wars crazy that I don't haven't the same hatred for the new releases that you do. I can sit and watch the movies with them and enjoy it like they do.
The movies have changed since we were kids but they haven't changed so drastically that the movies are completely different and unrecognizable from the original release. The story is the same, the characters are the same. Some of the additions Lucas made actually enhanced the movies. Some additions obviously didn't but they don't detract from the movies so much that the movies are "craptacular".
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Not trying to downplay the enjoyment your kids get out of the movies, but they don't know any better. When they get older they will hear about the mysterious original versions, watch them, realize that Lucas lost the plot and made horrific changes to a classic, and feel the same sense of betrayal most adult star wars fans do now.
Besides, kids will like anything you throw on screen for them. But anyone who has any ability to critique what they watch will know that Lucas butchered the movies and their legacy.
The thing is, these releases will be their Star Wars. They're going to watch them hundreds of times like we did the original and when they finally get a chance to see the original release, they're going to ask why Jabba wasn't in A New Hope.
The reason you're so passionate about the original release is that we grew up watching them over and over again. We love those movies.
I love them as much as the next guy but I don't think the plot was lost by making the changes or that the movie or their legacy was butchered.
The whole "kid angle" I have is that I've been able to watch the movies again with a fresh perspective and realize that the changes made to the movies aren't as terrible or as drastic as people make them out to be. They're still incredibly fun and great movies and if you take your film critic hat off for a viewing you'll see that they're just as fun as they were when you first watched them.
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I actually think its an interesting idea, ive never considered it before. At the end of Empire you find out that Vader is Luke's father. Seems like a natural time for a flashback into the beginnings of Darth Vader's life. I might try this the next time I decide to watch the series.
Yeah but you don't know that Leia is his sister and that would be ruined if you watched the Prequels between Empire and Jedi.
Personally I think you need to watch in the original order in order to keep the plot points preserved.
Luke is Vader's son
Leia is Vader's daughter and Lukes sister.
The Emperor was the master manipulator in the series who got lazy in the end.
Jar Jar Binks doesn't exist until necessary and then causes the downfall of the republic.
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My boys are huge Star Wars fans after I introduced them to the movies this past summer. They were 6 and 3.5 when they first watched them. They watch IV and V the most. My 6 year old got scared and cried during III because he didn't want Anakin to turn into Darth Vader, even though he knew he would. I suppose he was putting himself into Anakin's shoes as he watched because he was worried that he too was going to become bad when he grew up. My 3.5 year old didn't really catch on much to the good guy vs bad guy thing. He gets it but he isn't old enough to fully think it through.
They've watched them all at least 2 or 3 times already, but they keep watching IV and V the most, with VI being next for most viewed.
My thoughts... just let them come to Star Wars naturally. Don't force it on them, if they are cool and not asshats they will watch and love The Trilogy.
If you're really into starwars, you'd be following this series too
Its no surprise to anyone that I'm a Star Wars junkie. I lined up at the old Palace Movie Theater on my 10th Birthday in 1977 and when that Star Destroyer powered over my head I was hooked for life.
I've seen and enjoyed all of the movies. It was a little tougher with Phantom Menace but I enjoyed the underlying Story Line right through to the end of ROTJ. I read a lot of the EU books, and I even got caught up in the Clone War cartoon because it does a great job of filling in between Clones and Sith.
Phantom Menace
What the Captain Liked - Palpatine his back story through the trilogy is amazing. Darth Maul, while no Darth Vader created a whole new spin of dueling, and his final duel with Obi Wan was amazing.
What I didn't like - Poor Jake Lloyd, the dream job almost destroyed him and he became hated by militant Star Wars fans. It would have been nice to start the story with him a little older and angrier. Jar Jar, but George helps that out in the next movie. Padme Natalie Portman just wasn't good.
Attack of the Clones
What I liked - Even though there wasn't much Palpatine you could see him in the background smirking. Ewan was very strong, Christopher Lee bought an oily menace as a Sith Lord. I enjoyed a lot of effects in the battles. Jar Jar brings down the republic. Yoda kicks a$$
What I hated - Portman was wooden, Hayden was so pumped up in pre-interviews and he felt flat in the movie. The love story was awkward. Too much James Bond failure in the execution arena.
Revenge of the Sith
What I liked - I actually really liked this move. Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagius the Wise, so well done. Palpatine was great. The open space battle was excellent. The fight between Anakin and Obi Wan in the beginning part was breath taking. The fact that Palpatine lost to Windu and forced Anakin to make his choice. The Vader creation. Yoda gets his a$$ kicked by the most powerful Sith.
what I didn't like - The really awkward lack of chemistry between Portman and Hayden. Ewan MacGregor didn't do a very good job in the confront Padme scene. The seduction of Anakin was rushed, the book did it better.
ANH
What I liked - The opening scene is iconic. Darth Vader's entrance into Star Wars Lore. You may fire when ready. The Cantina scene. Tarkin was so menacing even though he was wearing bedroom slippers. The whole final battle. The fight between Obi Wan and Vader. The first time you hear a tie fighter. The Falcon.
What I hated - Go back and watch it. Outside of Tarkin and Solo the acting was really bad. Oh and AG was really good. they had some awkward dialogue issues with Vader. Luke needed a kick in the nads, he whined to the point of annoying.
Empire Strikes back
What I liked - Absolutely everything. The Imperial March. The Battle on Hoth, the fight between Luke and Vader. Lando screws over his old buddy (What did happen over dinenr) The first appearance by he Emperor. Vader strangling everyone left right and center. We are shown that Luke is not a Jedi yet. Like I am your father.
What I hated - Seriously Lando you put your buddy on ice, steal his ship his friends and his clothes. The movie dragged during the first half with the Han Luke rescue being badly paced.
Return of the Jedi
What I liked - The angry last moments of the Vader Luke duel when Luke came close to following his father, before he tells Palpatine to get stuffed. Speaking of which Palpatine's whole throne room dialogue just dripped with arrogance something that he used to destroy the Jedi. The space Battle with some exceptions The final celebration and the original Anakin appears.
What I hated - The whole ground battle failure. The empire puts anti blaster armor on their troops, yet they fail against Rocks and arrows and slingshots. The Ewoks as a whole. The Jabba the Hutt stuff really dragged pace wise. The No thing in the revamp. One fighter destroys a Super Star Destroyer, the Empire forgot to build another bridge. The secondary acting was brutal.
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Yeah but you don't know that Leia is his sister and that would be ruined if you watched the Prequels between Empire and Jedi.
Personally I think you need to watch in the original order in order to keep the plot points preserved.
Luke is Vader's son
Leia is Vader's daughter and Lukes sister.
The Emperor was the master manipulator in the series who got lazy in the end.
Jar Jar Binks doesn't exist until necessary and then causes the downfall of the republic.
I don't think that is important, since the characters themselves don't really know these facts. It just changes these from surprises to the viewer and the characters, to just surprises to the characters... dramatic irony, essentially.
Having said that, I'd just as soon pretend the prequels did not exist and I am pretty much in agreement with everything that was stated in "The People vs George Lucas".
