Do Vancouver Men Suck?

[Yeah_Baby]

"U + Your Hand" by P!nk destroyed the cold approach for me. It's not that I can't do it. I just assume that in most pack situations the girls don't want to be bothered by some drunk guy with a side part, a vneck and a vest.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I just assume that in most pack situations they girls don't want to be bothered.

A very safe assumption. But you can put money on the fact that if there are any single girls in that group, they're whining about how guys are lame and never make a move and they can't figure out why. Must be the men... yeah, that's it.

Also, haha you listen to Pink. Loser.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

A very safe assumption. But you can put money on the fact that if there are any single girls in that group, they're whining about how guys are lame and never make a move and they can't figure out why. Must be the men... yeah, that's it.

Also, haha you listen to Pink. Loser.

Heh, I assure you when I heard the song it was simply for the purpose of being ironic.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

The problem is intense here, he says, for a handful of reasons. Vancouver (lacking the genial bars and clubs of cities such as New York and Toronto) doesn't have a dating culture; plus, Vancouverites compound the situation by going everywhere in packs rather than pairing off on dates. Asian men, who account for almost half his clientele, have been brought up by their parents to feel shy and unworthy-values that aren't useful when it comes to dating in North America.

Aw It's sad because this is true. Most Asian males grow up with somewhat low self-esteem. In a Chinese family, compliments are rare. Discussions about dating even rarer. We grow up having no idea how to deal with women.

That being said, I've noticed that more often than not, girls I've met from Vancouver seem easy to flirt with. I can sorta see what the writer in this article is talking about with those I've met. If you joke with them, high five, give them hugs or whatever, and they just seem to eat it right up, as if they've been deprived of it for ages.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Heh, I assure you when I heard the song it was simply for the purpose of being ironic.

I would believe you, but somehow actually using using the ! in Pink's name leaves me skeptical

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Disagree. I know guys with decent careers who are by no means hideous nor shut-ins who get absolutely nothing from women when they're single. Though I do question their taste in women so perhaps your friends just are better judges of character (re: not bra size).

Perhaps we differ on where we are going to meet women? If you are talking the noisy bar scene on Granville, that's a flawed approach from the get go. I've been off the scene for a couple years now, but I recall sit down lounges & restaurants (ie. you can actually talk comfortably, and people aren't just looking for drunken one nighters) were high yield, as were many of the casual team sport leagues.

Originally Posted by Blaster86

they could be very cynical but does a 24 year old girl still in university have the right to really expect a guy of similar age to be further ahead?

I don't think they expect you to be further ahead, so much as they expect you to have an obtainable future. Also, most of us were done University by 23. I'd consider that slightly above average in most places, but perhaps this is a much bigger relative advantage in Van?

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I think, judging by your handle, that we have an age disconnect as well.

Not sure what you mean by this, but your handle is adorned by comic book characters

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Heh, I assure you when I heard the song it was simply for the purpose of being ironic.

And when you were playing Hello Kitty Island it was for the same reason I assume?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

Perhaps we differ on where we are going to meet women? If you are talking the noisy bar scene on Granville, that's a flawed approach from the get go. I've been off the scene for a couple years now, but I recall sit down lounges & restaurants (ie. you can actually talk comfortably, and people aren't just looking for drunken one nighters) were high yield, as were many of the casual team sport leagues.

Oh you're right about bars. But even house parties and the like are pretty bad. There's something about approaching a girl at a restaurant where she's getting ready to eat that sits off with me too. But that's just something personal on my part, I can imagine they're more vulnerable to approach though. Coed leagues also seem off, kinda dating a girl you work with.

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

I don't think they expect you to be further ahead, so much as they expect you to have an obtainable future. Also, most of us were done University by 23. I'd consider that slightly above average in most places, but perhaps this is a much bigger relative advantage in Van?

I guess. I am trying to get through school sans loans, so I'm a bit behind by not much. I also started late to get my bearings. But you are right, most are done. That was just a personal experience of mine a couple years ago. I just laughed at the girl's expectations of me while she was no better off and never talked to her again. From Calgary, ironically.

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

Not sure what you mean by this, but your handle is adorned by comic book characters

If a girl has a big problem with it, good riddance. Not gonna stop liking comic books to get a girl, especially with so many attractive girls digging them these days.

[MelBridgeman]

bah lived in victoria, calgary and vancouver - no real difference IMO.

calgary you tend to see people you meet more often (smaller town feel)
vancouver not so much (just more people)
victoria exists?

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Oh you're right about bars. But even house parties and the like are pretty bad. There's something about approaching a girl at a restaurant where she's getting ready to eat that sits off with me too. But that's just something personal on my part, I can they're more vulnerable to approach though. Coed leagues also seem off, kinda dating a girl you work with.

Yeah I meant more the bar/lounge at a place like Earl's. I'd never approach them if their food arrived, I'd get em' before/after. If there were full drinks on the table, it was usually a good time.

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I just laughed at the girl's expectations of me while she was no better off and never talked to her again. From Calgary, ironically.

There's your answer. Not that I agree with her, but I guess her expectations were in tune with a Calgary baseline, rather than the arguably lower average of Vancouver. Plus, you are a Canucks fan.

Originally Posted by Blaster86

If a girl has a big problem with it, good riddance. Not gonna stop liking comic books to get a girl, especially with so many attractive girls digging them these days.

I meant no offense, I just found it amusing that an openly avid cartoon/comic book guy implied he was in an older demographic based on my juvenile handle.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

I meant no offense, I just found it amusing that an openly avid cartoon/comic book guy implied he was in an older demographic based on my juvenile handle.

I meant you were older. =|

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

And when you were playing Hello Kitty Island it was for the same reason I assume?

That's you on the left right?

[bomba]

Lived there for 3 single years. Trust me it's the women that are the problem - they have their heads in the clouds

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by bomba

Lived there for 3 single years. Trust me it's the women that are the problem - they have their heads in the clouds

Meh, girls in Calgary are the exact same as Vancouver.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I just laughed at the girl's expectations of me while she was no better off and never talked to her again. From Calgary, ironically

Not too surprised. I always thought Calgary had some of the snobbiest girls I've ever met...more concerned about the brand of your car or what you can buy them, instead of who you are. I used to think my lack of success with Calgary girls was because I was ugly and awkward (mind you, not untrue in both cases), but after traveling a bit, had way more success elsewhere. I'm pretty glad I snagged me an import before I came back to town. I mean it's one thing to be picky when you're a 9 or a 10 yourself, but there are way too many 4's and 5/s acting like they are a supermodel. I guess the high male to female ratio in Calgary probably doesn't help either...out east it's the opposite.

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I meant you were older. =|

Interesting, although I suspect we are of the same vintage.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

Interesting, although I suspect we are of the same vintage.

I blame your name and Old Fart being around. I guess I just assume you must be the same person at different stages of expulsion. =|

The girl from Calgary was a 6 thinking she was a 10. I knew her standards were ridiculous but opted to try and get in and get out before #### hit the fan because, well ####, I'd dropped about $100 on dinner on the first date. I regret it.

[stampsx2]

I don't know where you guys are getting your information from on this guy to girl ratio. It's pretty much one to one.


The guy/girl ratio in Calgary between the age of 19-40:
Male: 171,755
Female: 168,925

Male/Female ratio for Vancouver between the age of 19-40:
Male: 284,040
Female: 309,820

Male/Female ratio for Toronto between the age of 19-40:
Male: 713,575
Female: 762,415


These numbers are from 2006 but you get the idea.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I love how women in this town try to act like the men are the problem because they put no effort in.

Go to any bar or club in the lower mainland and just people watch. Women here make themselves unapproachable by ensuring they're on the buddy system while throwing in enough attitude that you'd think they just got it for christmas and can't put it down, which doesn't make it impossible and the buddy system as far as safety goes, not the worst thing to do. Now even when a guy does will up the courage (harder for some than others) to go over and talk, if they're not shot down in the first ten seconds then he's doing better than most.

It's amazing how gorgeous some girls in Vancouver think they are. Beauty Queens to be admired from afar, but what the hell are you doing, ######? Talking to me. Pffft as if. And for the record, yes I have heard this though not usually from the girl I approach but from the friend with them. Talk to those girls outside of a bar and they'd tell you that they aren't trying to meet men at bars. Become their friend? They'll whine about being single.

tl;dr

Women are ridiculous.

I have heard this from many women. My question, in general, to them is why would you go to a bar then? The music is terrible, it's almost impossible to have a conversation, drinks are expensive and it smells a little like urine and sweat.

If they really wanted to just hang out with their friends and have a good time, they probably be better of not going to a club.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I have heard this from many women. My question, in general, to them is why would you go to a bar then? The music is terrible, it's almost impossible to have a conversation, drinks are expensive and it smells a little like urine and sweat.

If they really wanted to just hang out with their friends and have a good time, they probably be better of not going to a club.

Maybe they like dancing in a circle with their girlfriends to terrible music?