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Old 11-24-2011, 09:55 AM   #21
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I get the impression that Canadians would be happy with a country where:
Penalties are severe. We triple the number of prisons and throw more people away for longer periods of time. And crime is high.

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There is a focus on rehabilitation and low recidivism. And crime rates are low and dropping.

In California 7 out of 10 inmates that are released end up back in jail within 3 years. In Canada the recidivism rate of 4.8% according to the department of Public Safety. If you want to look for a "better" rate go ahead... but I challenge you to find one that is as high at 70%. Actually, if you read this:
http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/res/co...407_1-eng.aspx
You will see that for sexual offenders, 70% is closer to the rate that DO NOT REOFFEND. Ever.

As that study states:
- the level of sexual recidivism in sexual offenders is lower than the public commonly believes (too many watching Special Victims Unit?)
- basing policies based on this misbelief would lead to over-supervising low risk offenders

Given our low crime rates and low recidivism, I think our criminal system isn't bad compared to other countries. For those that say ours is a joke, please, I'd love to know which country is doing a better job.
Dumb argument considering that this fellow in particular has an incredibly high rate of recidivism. I would also that 70% is a little misleading because it's pretty well known that sexual assault is often not reported, and convictions are often hard to come by.

The fact is that this guy has irrepairably damaged the lives of at least three women and is a high-risk to do it again. How many more assaults should he be allowed to commit before we stop providing him with the opportunities? When the justice system starts putting the interests of criminals over the protection of its citizens, it is failing the citizens.

I agree that we shouldn't overpopulate are jails with low-risk re-offenders and non-violent criminals (i.e. drug abusers), but repeat sex offenders don't really fit that bill.
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Old 11-24-2011, 10:00 AM   #22
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I would have no problem with vigilante justice in this case.
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Old 11-24-2011, 10:05 AM   #23
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I would have no problem with vigilante justice in this case.
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Old 11-24-2011, 10:15 AM   #24
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Old 11-24-2011, 10:21 AM   #25
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I wonder if this guy can teach me some moves?
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Old 11-24-2011, 12:35 PM   #26
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Do you honestly believe that sex offenders like this can be rehabilitated, What they do is a part of their sex drive as it is other factors.

In this case its as much about the need to dominate and assert himself over woman as it is about any kind of sexual gratification.
Honestly, I have no idea. And you probably don't either. We can play amateur psychologist all we want, but the fact is that most of our thoughts on the subject are heavily skewed by the entertainment world's perception of sexual predators because we really have almost no other sources to draw from.

And you are correct about this being a flaw in justice system, but didn't really express that in your original post. The problem is huge because rehabilitation is clearly unique to these cases (it's not simply a case of becoming a criminal out of need or situation) and yet the legal system dictates that the special cases need to be flagged before they go to prison. It just seems so backwards.
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