NDP to American's don't buy our tar sands

[Lobotroth]

Originally Posted by jonesy

I like to think of it as cleaning up. The stuff is already in the ground seeping and leaching the soil. By removing it, we are just cleaning it up.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Sabotage is your word (and a dramatically false one at that); protecting the environment is how others look at it. And the article clearly states that the NDP don't want to halt development, but rather want more time for an environmental impact assessment.

Read the article before saying stuff like that.

I doubt the NDP MPs have the first sniff about oil sand production, actual environmental impacts, and the programs in place to address environmental concerns by any involved oil sand company. Additionally, the results of any enviromental impact assessment done by the NDP and their Quebec / enviro-activist supporters would ultimately require the halt of oil sands development anyway. You're splitting hairs, in my opinion.

[burn_this_city]

Halting expansion would put thousands of people out of work. Most of the jobs created are on the construction side.

[868904]

What a waste of time.

Those two losers won't have any impact on the US decision.

Obama has already stated that he prefers conflict oil from the middle east to ethical "dirty" oil from Canada.

There's more to it than what you see.

One of the US's biggest industry and export right now is military weapons and products. You don't sell those things without conflict. The US also wants to be in the middle east, they need to be there, they need to base their intelligence operations out of there to keep an eye on the extremists.

[868904]

Originally Posted by zuluking

I doubt the NDP MPs have the first sniff about oil sand production, actual environmental impacts, and the programs in place to address environmental concerns by any involved oil sand company. Additionally, the results of any enviromental impact assessment done by the NDP and their Quebec / enviro-activist supporters would ultimately require the halt of oil sands development anyway. You're splitting hairs, in my opinion.

Those two clowns definitely don't have any clue.

You know what they want? They want to be a celebrity. They want to be in the public eye. They want to rub elbows with Daryl Hannah and Mark Ruffalo and other Hollywood celebrity. That's what they want.

Just like most protestors who say they are doing it for the good of man. They aren't, it's just a way to look cool, like a rebel and get laid. This is the Jack Layton method of politics. Go against everything the government does and you will look like a hero, a rebel. Jack Layton is their hero, they want to be reverred like him and have a state funeral too.

[MarchHare]

Did any opposition parties go down to Washington in support of the Iraq war despite the governing Liberals saying we don't?

Stephen Harper and Stockwell Day took out a full page ad in the Wall Street Journal telling Americans that they disagreed with the Liberal decision to not join the Iraq war.

Canadians Stand With You
Wall Street Journal | 3/28/03 |

By STEPHEN HARPER and STOCKWELL DAY

Today, the world is at war. A coalition of countries under the leadership of the U.K. and the U.S. is leading a military intervention to disarm Saddam Hussein. Yet Prime Minister Jean Chretien has left Canada outside this multilateral coalition of nations.

This is a serious mistake. For the first time in history, the Canadian government has not stood beside its key British and American allies in their time of need. The Canadian Alliance — the official opposition in parliament — supports the American and British position because we share their concerns, their worries about the future if Iraq is left unattended to, and their fundamental vision of civilization and human values. Disarming Iraq is necessary for the long-term security of the world, and for the collective interests of our key historic allies and therefore manifestly in the national interest of Canada. Make no mistake, as our allies work to end the reign of Saddam and the brutality and aggression that are the foundations of his regime, Canada’s largest opposition party, the Canadian Alliance will not be neutral. In our hearts and minds, we will be with our allies and friends. And Canadians will be overwhelmingly with us.

But we will not be with the Canadian government.

Modern Canada was forged in large part by war — not because it was easy but because it was right. In the great wars of the last century — against authoritarianism, fascism, and communism — Canada did not merely stand with the Americans, more often than not we led the way. We did so for freedom, for democracy, for civilization itself. These values continue to be embodied in our allies and their leaders, and scorned by the forces of evil, including Saddam Hussein and the perpetrators of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. That is why we will stand — and I believe most Canadians will stand with us — for these higher values which shaped our past, and which we will need in an uncertain future.

Messrs. Harper and Day are the leader and shadow foreign minister, respectively, of the Canadian Alliance.

That said, this is a completely stupid move by the NDP. Sure they'll win points in Quebec, but they already have that province wrapped up. If they ever want to form a government (*shudder*), they'll have to appeal to a national audience. Opposing Canadian economic development and job creation like this isn't going to win them many voters, especially during a recession.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

It would not suprise me at all that Nenshi has voted NDP.

^This is a funny post. It just makes no sense.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

It would not suprise me at all that Nenshi has voted NDP.

Wrong thread. I'm guessing you don't like him?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by vanisleflamesfan

But you have no problem when other politicians that you are paying for, head off to Washington to lobby FOR the business deal of a private company?

Why would we, it generates jobs and tax revenue and boosts the economy. One of the governments jobs is to promote Canadian businesses, not denigrate it.

What the NDP wants to do is exactly the opposite.

Besides, the NDP are not the government in standing, while their viewpoint is important in the house of commons, they shouldn't be running around outside of the country shooting their mouths off.

As annoying as the Libs were, they weren't anti business.

Unless you manufacture hemp based products in your basement, by the NDP definition you are evil.



By even calling for a so called halt, they costs thousands of jobs and massive amounts of revenue.

Plus its funny that once again the NDP is specifically focused on an Alberta Industry.

[troutman]

Only the party with 40% of the popular vote can speak for Canada? The party with 30% of the popular vote has to be quiet?

http://enr.elections.ca/National_e.aspx

[GP_Matt]

I don't like when any opposition party speaks internationally against the government. Disagree all you want internally but I think we need a united front on the international stage. It is no different than a board room, we can disagree all we want in the board room but when we leave we all have to be on board with the decision. Have you ever seen a VP at McDonalds come out and recommend that we not order whatever new sandwich is out because he personally disagrees with it?

I don't really recall any opposition parties coming to Canada to attack their own government which makes me wonder if there is more pride in other countries preventing people from doing this or if it is just that the press doesn't cover it when a politician with no power comes to Canada to attack their home country.

[SeeBass]

Speaking bad about your current goverment on foreign soil is sooo Dixie Chicks.

[Ozy_Flame]

The NDP wouldn't be doing their job as opposition party if they weren't doing this. I think this is probably a normal occurrence and is getting abnormal media attention, but it stings especially for Albertan conservative and PC supporters.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by troutman

Only the party with 40% of the popular vote can speak for Canada? The party with 30% of the popular vote has to be quiet?

http://enr.elections.ca/National_e.aspx

That's how elections work. The party that wins gets to represent the country and the country that loses should not. At least not outside of the country. Canada is small enough on the world stage that it is hard for one voice to be heard, no good can come from a second voice shouting it down.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

The NDP wouldn't be doing their job as opposition party if they weren't doing this. I think this is probably a normal occurrence and is getting abnormal media attention, but it stings especially for Albertan conservative and PC supporters.

I think this is a question some of us are asking.

Is it normal or not?

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

The NDP wouldn't be doing their job as opposition party if they weren't doing this. I think this is probably a normal occurrence and is getting abnormal media attention, but it stings especially for Albertan conservative and PC supporters.

The NDP should not be anti-government position on every single issue. If this is an issue they oppose, then they should be doing so in Ottawa.

By going international, they risk the livilihoods of tens of thousands of Canadian families. This is not good opposition government. This is ridiculous.

[seattleflamer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stay Golden
It would not suprise me at all that Nenshi has voted NDP.

^This is a funny post. It just makes no sense.

Inference is Nenshi=NDP=no like the golden goose of the tarsands

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by troutman

Only the party with 40% of the popular vote can speak for Canada? The party with 30% of the popular vote has to be quiet?

http://enr.elections.ca/National_e.aspx

Internationally absolutely, they do not represent the government of Canada and therefore the policies of this country.

they can speak up and bitch all they want in the house of commons. But going internationally and cutting off the government basically at the knees is bunk.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

The NDP wouldn't be doing their job as opposition party if they weren't doing this. I think this is probably a normal occurrence and is getting abnormal media attention, but it stings especially for Albertan conservative and PC supporters.

Huh?

As the opposition party they can go and bitch and complain all day long in the house of commons, thats their job. But they are not the government of Canada, they do not represent the government of Canada.

And going out and actually trying to actively sabatoge a sector of the Canadian economy is not what the opposition party does.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Huh?

As the opposition party they can go and bitch and complain all day long in the house of commons, thats their job. But they are not the government of Canada, they do not represent the government of Canada.

And going out and actually trying to actively sabatoge a sector of the Canadian economy is not what the opposition party does.

Nothing illegal about the NDP doing this. Aggravating as hell, sure, but they can represent the Opposition to the Canadian government however they choose to do so.

And again, it's that word "sabotage" which I think you guys are making mountains out of mole-hills. Once again I will remind that the article says they want to an impact assessment first, not destroy the oil sands. Any speculation about them using it as a crux to shut down the entire oil industry is completely baseless, illogical, and conservative truth stretching.