I think this #Occupy stuff is stupid(in as nice of words I can post here) This stuff leads to riots, I'm glad they got gassed, when the police tell you to get back, then get the hell back.
And how exactly would *YOU* suggest that people demonstrate their displeasure with the current state of affairs? Sit at home and watch a hockey game?
I think this #Occupy stuff is stupid(in as nice of words I can post here) This stuff leads to riots, I'm glad they got gassed, when the police tell you to get back, then get the hell back.
And when they ask for your papers you have to give them to the cops otherwise face going to concentration camps... Oh wait It's not late 30's/early 40's Germany. Free speech and rights to demonstrate are protected rights, I forgot.
The police are 100% in the wrong here.
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And when they ask for your papers you have to give them to the cops otherwise face going to concentration camps... Oh wait It's not late 30's/early 40's Germany. Free speech and rights to demonstrate are protected rights, I forgot.
The police are 100% in the wrong here.
Really? Can I go camp anywhere I want?
Am I watching the same video? I didn't see anything thrown into the crowd. Granted, I could have just missed it. Also, can someone link me the rubber bullet videos as I have a genuine mistrust of hobo hippies and their twitter accounts.
Godwin's Law before the third page? Shame on you Caged Great.
Am I watching the same video? I didn't see anything thrown into the crowd. Granted, I could have just missed it. Also, can someone link me the rubber bullet videos as I have a genuine mistrust of hobo hippies and their twitter accounts.
Godwin's Law before the third page? Shame on you Caged Great.
Did that on purpose to get it out of the way
When a group of people is protesting, as long as they're not damaging the area, they should be allowed to do their thing. Yes, the did evict them to clean it up, but it was allowed by the group because there was an understanding that they would be allowed back in.
Also, these people are not hippies. They are not having all sorts of drugs flowing through the protest, and are not having exercising the whole "free love" thing like the actual hippies did.
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Some of the requests are being taken for internal investigation though. I know other police groups have asked videos be removed until they take action themselves.
Not sure if what Google is saying is entirely truthful. I could see it being true given how some police corps react (especially how the video played out), but it doesn't agree with past reasons for removing videos.
I didn't or couldn't make out the original injury of the former marine in the video, all I saw was a spinning camera and then the body, so I don't think we can safely know what happened to him, and whether it was deliberate or not.
I have my doubts that its a rubber bullet. A blow to the head by a rubber bullet would be a lot more devestating looking.
He could have been struck by a wayward tear gas cannister, or intentional struck by a tear gas cannister.
The idiot action was the second cop lobbing a flashbang right into a group of people. While flashbangs aren't all that dangerous in terms of permanent injuries, they do deafen and disorient, and there could be a possibility of s serious burn.
The cop that lobbed that into that group of people was an idiot plain and simple.
I always worry about context in these video clips.
I doubt with the publicity that the Oakland Police are going to want to try and cover this up, if they do they might end up with their own version of the LA riots.
But I think its going to be impossible to charge a specific cop or two in that chaos, I couldn't even get a read on who lobbed the flashbang, besides being shielded its impossible to tell who actually threw it.
I think the end result will happen higher up in the chain at a command level.
At the end of the day to me, I'm not willing to join the all cops are pigs and evil brigade that is spreading through the web right now.
And yes the Oakland Police Chief is pretty obviously stupid.
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I do think the "war veteran" part is only serving to make the story more than what it is.
If this was just some random guy, we'd be saying "LOL that guy got owned."
Although I agree that the "veteran" aspect is being used as a propoganda tool, i don't think i'd be saying LOL that guy got owned if he was critically injured.
I'm more appauled at the flash grenade being thrown into a group of people trying to help him.
If this was just some random guy, we'd be saying "LOL that guy got owned."
The guy is in a medically induced coma, and could potentially lose his life, because a power tripping cop fractured his skull. There is absolutely nothing funny about that.
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The guy is in a medically induced coma, and could potentially lose his life, because a power tripping cop fractured his skull. There is absolutely nothing funny about that.
I actually wonder if the same reaction would have been elicited if the guy who got a flashbang to the groin during the SCF riots would have gotten the same reaction if he was in a coma.
Different cases, sure (since getting hit in the crotch seems to be inheriently funny, especially if you listen to America's Funniest Home Videos...and since it's Vancouver rioters ), but would we see a full turn around from "owned" to "not funny at all"?
I don't see these occupy protests the same as burning cars and looting stores because of a hockey game. To me and the pieces I've read on it the majority of the protests have been exactly that - protests. Not hooligans vandalizing. The guy who got the flashbang in the crotch deserved it because he's a mindless punk joining in on destroying people's livelihoods.
I actually wonder if the same reaction would have been elicited if the guy who got a flashbang to the groin during the SCF riots would have gotten the same reaction if he was in a coma.
Different cases, sure (since getting hit in the crotch seems to be inheriently funny, especially if you listen to America's Funniest Home Videos...and since it's Vancouver rioters ), but would we see a full turn around from "owned" to "not funny at all"?
I was thinking the same thing myself, actually.
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The guy is in a medically induced coma, and could potentially lose his life, because a power tripping cop fractured his skull. There is absolutely nothing funny about that.
Fair enough, I didn't know it was actually THAT bad.
I wont comment on the initial tear gas container, but I doubt it was aimed at him specifically. People do have the right to protest, but other people also have the right to want civility within their lives - Calgary is a great example, would someone take their kid to the park where the Occupy people are occupying - no, and yet that vast majority of people wont b!tch about it because its not in a normal persons nature to be a complainer.
As per the flash bang, you cannot hear if the police said to step back - a large group who could be carrying anything; weapons, molotov cocktails etc is moving toward the police line, the Police have been instructed to use non lethal force on said group. No offence but its unlikely a bunch of protesters have the medical ability to help his guy, rather they have the ability to ask him continually "whats your name, whats your name".
If for instance had the Police told the group of protesters to step back then its logical to assume they would have seen the guy bleeding, walked over to restrain him then transferred him to medical professionals. And if the police did tell them to step back and they didnt then I have no problem with them sending in the flashbang.
If the Vancouver riots taught us anything, is that even wuss rich brat Polo players can turn into true duushbags within a mob mentality, with that type of situation a cop who is out there is not going to take any chances with his/her life just because there is a chance that 100% of all the protesters are peaceful and that none are professional ##### disturbers.
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I don't see these occupy protests the same as burning cars and looting stores because of a hockey game. To me and the pieces I've read on it the majority of the protests have been exactly that - protests. Not hooligans vandalizing. The guy who got the flashbang in the crotch deserved it because he's a mindless punk joining in on destroying people's livelihoods.
TBH you don't know that, and the police can't assume that.
Every protest no matter how peaceful can turn in an instant into something worse.
I'm sure if the police would have played the we assume that the Vancouver (I don't even know what to call them) were peaceful, that things would have gotten even more out of hand.
The Riot Police are trained to bring an end to possible situations through the use of intimidation and pretty much overwhelming and decisive force.
We don't know if there were other episodes of violence elsewhere or confrontations between the police and the protestors elsewhere that would have changed the police demeaner.
We don't even know for sure if in those chaotic moments if those cops knew that there was an injured man down, for all we know they could have seen it as a group rush at the barracade.
I don't like the flashbang technique at all personally, that smacks of stupidity and bad training, it would have been just as effective to drop it somewhere besides in the middle of the group.
I don't know if the use of rubber bullets was actually proven or if we have protestors saying that hey man we saw it.
Like I said, the damage done to the man doesn't look like rubber bullet trauma to me, it could have been a teargas cannister that was misfired, or bounced off the street into his head or it could have been deliberately aimed.
We don't know if the police gave a warning to the group that went to the guys aid not to approach the police line or not.
There are still way to many questions.
I would hope that there will be an honest investigation and that it isn't handled by the Oakland Police because I don't know if I trust the statement of the chief of police, and even if true its tainted by what we see or think we see in the video.
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), but would we see a full turn around from "owned" to "not funny at all"?
