Iran behind plot to kill Saudi Ambassador

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Abdullah despises Iran, and vice versa. He's accused Iran numerous times of trying to meddle in Arab affairs, and, if you recall during the WikiLeaks fiasco, cables were leaked where he was trying to actively encourage strikes against Iran by the US.

I know that, but what does blowing up the SA embassy achieve?

[CaptainCrunch]

I always thought that Iran and Saudi Arabia have been enemies more often then friends. I also think that Iran views as moderate and perverse.

They're also competitors for energy in that region.

Plus Saudi did allow American Troops onto holy soil.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I can see the point of blowing the Israelis because, you know, Jews are bad. But what is the purpose of blowing up the SA's? To get the SA's upset at Americans?
Doesn't make sense.

Makes a lot of sense. Both counties are major regional powers looking for dominance. birth countries export Islamic fundamentalism to accomplish this, but Iran is #####e and S.A.is sunni, two very opposed ideologies.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I know that, but what does blowing up the SA embassy achieve?

The same thing that blowing up any terrorist target does. Show of power and it impresses all the want to be terrorists out there.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by blankall

Makes a lot of sense. Both counties are major regional powers looking for dominance. birth countries export Islamic fundamentalism to accomplish this, but Iran is #####e and S.A.is sunni, two very opposed ideologies.

I get Iran and SA dislike each other... I am asking what the point of blowing up the ambassador is. It's not a typical action on a state-to-state level...

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I know that, but what does blowing up the SA embassy achieve?

Saudi Arabia is an enemy, Israel is an enemy. Iran wants to lead the Islamic world, and they don't want Turkey or Saudi Arabia to do it. Iran seems eager (or at least, some elements of the government do) to flex their "muscles" and to try to instigate actions, like they've been doing in Iraq. If it was an attempt at terrorism (which it seems to be), it would also have the same purposes as any other terrorist attack. An exporter of terror exports terror, after all.

Perhaps whoever in the Iranian government that was behind this felt Iran was ready to instigate covert action on US soil? A rogue element of their Quds special forces?

An interesting quote:

Originally Posted by Attorney General Eric Holder

Holder said the US government would be taking unspecified action against the Iranian government as early as Tuesday. Asked whether the plot was blessed by the top echelons of the Iranian government, Holder said the Justice Department was not making that accusation.

[mikey_the_redneck]

This makes no sense from Iran's perspective.

Why would they want to show any aggression, especially on U.S. soil at this sensitive time? With NATO right next door bombing Libya and salivating over Syria, what strategic purpose would it serve?

Now all the bureaucrats will be clamoring for war with Iran in the media. This is just to divert attention away from Occupy Wall Street.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

This makes no sense from Iran's perspective.

Why would they want to show any aggression, especially on U.S. soil at this sensitive time? With NATO right next door bombing Libya and salivating over Syria, what strategic purpose would it serve?

Now all the bureaucrats will be clamoring for war with Iran in the media. This is just to divert attention away from Occupy Wall Street.

oh for christ sake...

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

This makes no sense from Iran's perspective.

Why would they want to show any aggression, especially on U.S. soil at this sensitive time? With NATO right next door bombing Libya and salivating over Syria, what strategic purpose would it serve?

Now all the bureaucrats will be clamoring for war with Iran in the media. This is just to divert attention away from Occupy Wall Street.

Well, from the quote I left in my post above, it could be a rogue element of the Iranian Quds special forces. I am sure there are some highly indoctrinated individuals in the Iranian government that would love to blow some stuff up on US soil.

It definitely doesn't seem like something the Ayatollah would approve of. Even Ahmadinejad, you would have to think, has more sense than to try something like this.

[NuclearPizzaMan]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

This makes no sense from Iran's perspective.

Why would they want to show any aggression, especially on U.S. soil at this sensitive time? With NATO right next door bombing Libya and salivating over Syria, what strategic purpose would it serve?

Now all the bureaucrats will be clamoring for war with Iran in the media. This is just to divert attention away from Occupy Wall Street.

The occupy wall street guys are closing in on the truth about 9/11, so the US faked Libya/Syria/blowing up this ambassador to divert attention away from the illuminati while they construct their moon base.

right?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by NuclearPizzaMan

The occupy wall street guys are closing in on the truth about 9/11, so the US faked Libya/Syria/blowing up this ambassador to divert attention away from the illuminati while they construct their moon base.

right?

You forgot that the Screen Actors Guild wants to bury the information that one of their actors played the role of Osama Bin Laden.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Saudi Arabia is an enemy, Israel is an enemy. Iran wants to lead the Islamic world, and they don't want Turkey or Saudi Arabia to do it. Iran seems eager (or at least, some elements of the government do) to flex their "muscles" and to try to instigate actions, like they've been doing in Iraq. If it was an attempt at terrorism (which it seems to be), it would also have the same purposes as any other terrorist attack. An exporter of terror exports terror, after all.

Perhaps whoever in the Iranian government that was behind this felt Iran was ready to instigate covert action on US soil? A rogue element of their Quds special forces?

An interesting quote:

This could also be more about internal Iranian politics than "striking at the enemy". Doing it on US soil would achieve all of the above. It's a big risk to take, especially if Obama decides it's good politics to do some bombing in the Middle East...

[CaptainCrunch]

It seems so weirdly conspiracy theory.

But I look at it as

If there's a split in the Iranian government, and you wanted to get rid of Aberjinutbar, then you pin the murder of a Saudi Diplomat in America on his faction. He eats a cruise missile over breakfeast, the American's become even more hated in Iran because of the attack, meanwhile you as a member of the conspiracy, have now gotten rid of your enemy, and have the people temporarily back on your side.

Meanwhile the American Attorney General under intense pressure over operation fast and furious now has his distraction forgivness crime.

Oh my god, add in some ancient aliens and four tons of explosives and we're through the looking glass.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I get Iran and SA dislike each other... I am asking what the point of blowing up the ambassador is. It's not a typical action on a state-to-state level...

It was done on a black ops level, and Iran will deny any involvement.

The major thing this accomplishes is that it automatically lumps S.A. in with the US/Israel alliance, which is not a good thing for any muslim/arab country.

It puts S.A. into a very difficult position. They will have to react some way to maintain credibility. They will then be forced to either draw closer to the US/Israel, which, as previously mentioned, destroys credibility; or distance themselves from USA/Israel, which will jeopardize the economic and military support they get from the USA.

Keep in mind, Iran is running under the premiss that they won't get caught and fingered with this. However, if they do, it's not the end of the world. Iran becomes the poster child for defiance against imperial powers. A position they desperately seem to want.

If threatening Israel with nuclear weapons and building them wasn't enough to result in a full on military response from the USA, it's unlikely that a loose tie to an embassy bombing will, especially with Obama in power.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

This makes no sense from Iran's perspective.

Why would they want to show any aggression, especially on U.S. soil at this sensitive time? With NATO right next door bombing Libya and salivating over Syria, what strategic purpose would it serve?

Now all the bureaucrats will be clamoring for war with Iran in the media. This is just to divert attention away from Occupy Wall Street.

The Western powers are all occupied. This is the best time to strike. Especially with so much change in the muslim world. There are massive power vacuums everywhere.

With the unpopularity of Afghanistan, Iraq, and, now, the Libyan wars, do you really think anyone is going to risk a regime change type war.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by hesla

us says factions of iran's government behind plot to blow up saudi and israeli embassies using mexican drug cartel

انها مجنونة جدا التي قد تكون تعمل*



*Not the right language, but as close as I could get.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by blankall

With the unpopularity of Afghanistan, Iraq, and, now, the Libyan wars, do you really think anyone is going to risk a regime change type war.

All it requires is the right excuse to sell the public on it, and what better excuse than a foiled Iranian attack on U.S. soil with Mexican drug cartel help....

[Ozy_Flame]

The BBC headline article on this story says that the U.S. worked closely with Mexican authorities, yet it says Arbabsiar approached and dealt with an undercover DEA agent posing as a member of a Mexican drug cartel. I'm not sure why the U.S. would be working with Mexican authorities closely at all . . . ?

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

All it requires is the right excuse to sell the public on it, and what better excuse than a foiled Iranian attack on U.S. soil with Mexican drug cartel help....

You really believe Iran's explanation before the one of the United States?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

All it requires is the right excuse to sell the public on it, and what better excuse than a foiled Iranian attack on U.S. soil with Mexican drug cartel help....

Like I said before, if building nuclear weapons is not enough, how is a foiled attack on a Saudi Arabian embassy.


Edit: You're also assuming that Iran was working under the premiss they would get caught.

Also, we don't know the level of supposed involvement of the cartel. If I was trying to acquire weapons/bombs on the black market, a major drug cartel would be a great place to start looking.