08-10-2011, 06:40 PM
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Does moore have a movie coming out soon?? Might explain this a little bit.
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08-10-2011, 07:09 PM
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#22
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Originally Posted by transplant99
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That website is a pathetic disaster. Say what you want about Moore's politics, but comparing him to Rush makes you just as delirious as that clown and his dangerous agenda.
I actually cant believe you'd compare Moore's documentaries to Rush Limbaugh. Unreal.
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08-10-2011, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied
Can anyone seriously be worse than Bush? Damon would be better than Bush.
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Anyone would have been better than Bush, well except one guy but he's dead.
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08-10-2011, 07:36 PM
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I think it is more like if the GOP brings a knife than you bring a gun.
I think he is fed up and wants to fight like the GOP
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08-10-2011, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat
That website is a pathetic disaster. Say what you want about Moore's politics, but comparing him to Rush makes you just as delirious as that clown and his dangerous agenda.
I actually cant believe you'd compare Moore's documentaries to Rush Limbaugh. Unreal.
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Pretty bad when the very first sentence of a website dedicate to "exposing" someone is a fallacy.
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08-10-2011, 07:50 PM
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Hey look transplant99 is back.
Limbaugh compared to Moore is just delusional.
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08-10-2011, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied
Can anyone seriously be worse than Bush? Damon would be better than Bush.
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Yes.
Carter and his clone in office now.
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08-10-2011, 07:59 PM
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Lol, tell us how you really feel about it Tranny.
Moore lies no more (and I'd say in many instances a lot less) than the mountains of conservative mouthpieces like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Coulter, O'Reilly, etc. ad nauseum. He certainly isn't the best source, but he ain't the worst either.
As with most things, if one is interested on a subject or movement of any type it's good to start with a source you like or are interested, but then branch out and learn more, check other sources, and even different opinions and people you don't agree with. Michael Moore, like many, even those I mentioned, can do that for a person.
As for the topic at hand, I'm not sure how it makes him crazy. Sure it's probably a bad idea, but not for the reason that he wants to oust someone 'from his own party'. As you stated. (And from reading the article it doesn't sound like it's a serious idea anyway)
In fact, that 'from his own party' thinking you brought up again shows that you, like most Americans, still define themselves with a party whether they like how they are performing or not. I mean, why wouldn't you want to try to improve your own party, or steer it back on course if you thought it wasn't doing well? You don't have to stand with it (and more dangerously stand against the other party) if you don't think it's doing the right thing. A party doesn't have to define you, you don't have to stick up for it's every decision, and rail against it's opponents. Heck, you can even vote against it.
It's that kind of combativite thinking that is tearing the country apart right now.
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So its OK for Moore to lie because others do. OK got it.
And I am not an American....bad assumption....and no idea what your inane rambling on about "my party" is all about...as is par for the course with your diatribes.
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That website is a pathetic disaster. Say what you want about Moore's politics, but comparing him to Rush makes you just as delirious as that clown and his dangerous agenda.
I actually cant believe you'd compare Moore's documentaries to Rush Limbaugh. Unreal.
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I didnt compare his docudramas to Rush Limbaugh...nice try though. I said he is the Rush Limbaugh of the left...a big fat airbag who lies outright to forward his transparent agenda. They are, in fact, one and the same though on opposite sides of the spectrum.
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Limbaugh compared to Moore is just delusional.
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I know you bleeding hearts hate to hear that Moore is a giant bag of hot air like those you so much despise, but it's the truth whethet you wanna accept it or not.
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08-10-2011, 08:02 PM
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I dislike Moore because I think the fact that he calls his movies 'documentaries' brings down real docs which aren't injected with a huge amount of slant and circumstantial bs like his our
but I do think Matt Damon could have a career in politics one day, very well spoken and knowledgeable guy whenever I have heard him talk social/economical/political issues
Damon, Affleck, and Alec Baldwin are the only celebrities who really fall in that category
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08-10-2011, 08:19 PM
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I know you bleeding hearts hate to hear that Moore is a giant bag of hot air like those you so much despise, but it's the truth whethet you wanna accept it or not. __________________
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You can call Moore and other like minded people bleeding hearts but the truth is a social net makes sense. If your population is under educated, undernourished and in poor health, how can they compete on the world stage economically. Further this population will resort to crime and drugs, becoming even a bigger burden on the rest of society. You can talk all you want about the rugged individualist, but the truth is every man builds on the back of those before him. If you discard the disadvantaged, you just make more problems.
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08-10-2011, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
You can call Moore and other like minded people bleeding hearts but the truth is a social net makes sense. If your population is under educated, undernourished and in poor health, how can they compete on the world stage economically. Further this population will resort to crime and drugs, becoming even a bigger burden on the rest of society. You can talk all you want about the rugged individualist, but the truth is every man builds on the back of those before him. If you discard the disadvantaged, you just make more problems.
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A *limited* social net makes sense, ....but remember the social net costs money, and when government manages money it tends to waste alot of tax dollars.
The condition of the people can be heavily attributed to government policy in the past decades, and they are the reason why so many people are poorly educated, and in poor health etc. the society is slowly breaking down.
You don't want to make it too easy for people to slack off in life and be a freeloader, it becomes a financial burden in the form of debt slavery to the rest of the population.
Michael Moore? .....meh he's an irrelevant hardcore liberal. He hates/dismisses capitalism and he can't even see that what we have is not free market capitalism, but crony capitalism infiltrating government policy.
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08-10-2011, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by transplant99
I know you bleeding hearts hate to hear that Moore is a giant bag of hot air like those you so much despise, but it's the truth whethet you wanna accept it or not.
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08-10-2011, 08:39 PM
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Oh boy. The whole cast has shown up tonight.
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08-10-2011, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck
A *limited* social net makes sense, ....but remember the social net costs money, and when government manages money it tends to waste alot of tax dollars.
The condition of the people can be heavily attributed to government policy in the past decades, and they are the reason why so many people are poorly educated, and in poor health etc. the society is slowly breaking down.
You don't want to make it too easy for people to slack off in life and be a freeloader, it becomes a financial burden in the form of debt slavery to the rest of the population.
Michael Moore? .....meh he's an irrelevant hardcore liberal. He hates/dismisses capitalism and he can't even see that what we have is not free market capitalism, but crony capitalism infiltrating government policy.
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As the saying goes, "you can pay me now or you can pay me later but one way or another someone is going to pay". I've already outlined how society will pay.
Yeah, I'm not in favour of taking away incentive but on the other hand taking away hope is worse.
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08-10-2011, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by transplant99
So its OK for Moore to lie because others do. OK got it.
And I am not an American....bad assumption....and no idea what your inane rambling on about "my party" is all about...as is par for the course with your diatribes.
I didnt compare his docudramas to Rush Limbaugh...nice try though. I said he is the Rush Limbaugh of the left...a big fat airbag who lies outright to forward his transparent agenda. They are, in fact, one and the same though on opposite sides of the spectrum.
I know you bleeding hearts hate to hear that Moore is a giant bag of hot air like those you so much despise, but it's the truth whethet you wanna accept it or not.
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I know you're not an American, I simply said 'you, like most Americans.... blah, blah, blah.' I guess it's a syntax thing, I could see how that was incorrectly implied. The lack of emphasis in text can cause many misunderstandings. But I could easily say that about anyone, (this person, from Spain) LIKE most Americans, believes in a two party system. Or whatever.
Trust me, we've argued enough for me to know you aren't American. Nor did I say anything about 'your party'.
Secondly, I never said you compared him to Limbaugh. Others did. In fact, my post came right after (seconds after I believe) your Limbaugh post. I never saw it. I was in type mode before you sent it off.
Thirdly I'm not defending MM, it would be foolish too. I'm simply saying it's pretty silly to single him out, there are many others that do it much worse. As well, since a lot of this comes down to context or other impossible to definitely prove points, finding truth is less about weeding out the lies, then it is crawling through opinion. One could argue most of these people often don't outright lie (yeah I know some cases some have, which is why I provided the other examples) the just provide their own version of the truth.
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08-10-2011, 09:29 PM
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^^^ What I did say, or I guess meant, was I found your (T99) reaction to the story very interesting as:
A. As far as I could read in the article, MM idea wasn't that serious. More of a thinking out loud comment and a comment to make a point. But it was apparently still a big deal to you.
B. Your quickness to jump on him for wanting to 'oust' someone 'from his own party' seemed to suggest you are still thinking in red vs blue terms whether you want to admit it or not (and regardless of what side you see yourself on). IE, a person should stick up for their party no matter what! I know that's not what you said, but it implies that kind of thinking. And that kind of combatitive thinking is what is tearing the country apart.
Never did I say anything about 'your party'.
But I guess this is par for the course with your diatribes
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08-10-2011, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied
Can anyone seriously be worse than Bush? Damon would be better than Bush.
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Rick Perry?
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08-10-2011, 09:48 PM
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Rick Perry?
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Michelle Bachmann or Sarah Palin. *shudders*
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08-10-2011, 10:25 PM
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So I've just got to ask; When did Rush Limbaugh lie?
I don't listen to his show so I just hear little bits when others refer to him. He is loud and annoying and like Hannity is in love with his own voice. That doesn't make him a liar though. I avoid his programming primarily because he is unnecessarily crude.
Michael Moore protrays himself as a documentary film maker. I would hold him to a much higher standard for truth then any political commentator. There is no question Michael Moore fails the honesty test.
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08-10-2011, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn
So I've just got to ask; When did Rush Limbaugh lie?
I don't listen to his show so I just hear little bits when others refer to him. He is loud and annoying and like Hannity is in love with his own voice. That doesn't make him a liar though. I avoid his programming primarily because he is unnecessarily crude.
Michael Moore protrays himself as a documentary film maker. I would hold him to a much higher standard for truth then any political commentator. There is no question Michael Moore fails the honesty test.
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So when did Micheal Moore lie?
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