City Cutting the CPS budget again.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

They can absolutely gut parts of the traffic division all they want as far as I'm concerned.

Don't kid yourself, if these cuts are as drastic as they sound, chances are enforcement will be probably increased in a hope to try to recoup some of those costs back from the province.

Its too bad police seem to be such a reactionary service to most. People harp on how low crime rates are and how low the homicide rate is. People are too quick to forget 2008-2009 were the most violent years in Calgary history with the highest gang violence and 26 and 34 homicides respectively.

CPS put a lot of work and effort into locking these gang-bangers up and enforcing conditions. And even though a lot of these people are currently incarcerated, knowing the Canadian justice system, they will be released soon, and its only logical to presume that the gang thing will flare up again.

Its unfortunate cause chances are crime rates will probably increase and as much as they say it won't happen, service levels will be decreased. Of course, when something horrible happens and another innocent person gets shot and killed, CPS will be labeled at fault and than news agencies will start beating the "why was their budget cut" drum.

[Yasa]

Originally Posted by Scorponok

And add moar K-9. Nothing scares a criminal more than a police officer yelling "SICK BALLS!"

I'd be kind of flattered by it.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by jar_e

Don't kid yourself, if these cuts are as drastic as they sound, chances are enforcement will be probably increased in a hope to try to recoup some of those costs back from the province.

Its too bad police seem to be such a reactionary service to most. People harp on how low crime rates are and how low the homicide rate is. People are too quick to forget 2008-2009 were the most violent years in Calgary history with the highest gang violence and 26 and 34 homicides respectively.

CPS put a lot of work and effort into locking these gang-bangers up and enforcing conditions. And even though a lot of these people are currently incarcerated, knowing the Canadian justice system, they will be released soon, and its only logical to presume that the gang thing will flare up again.

Its unfortunate cause chances are crime rates will probably increase and as much as they say it won't happen, service levels will be decreased. Of course, when something horrible happens and another innocent person gets shot and killed, CPS will be labeled at fault and than news agencies will start beating the "why was their budget cut" drum.

This is the part that's BS. In reaction to reduced funding the CPS will gut beat cops and put resources into traffic in order to generate revenue for themselves. Revenue from traffic should be diverted into general provincial revenues instead of earmarked back into the police budget. Policing should be a cost centre not a revenue generator. Therefore there will only be incentive to enforce the roads from a safety perspective instead of on the basis of generating revenue. Enough with the Revenue quotas.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

This is the part that's BS. In reaction to reduced funding the CPS will gut beat cops and put resources into traffic in order to generate revenue for themselves. Revenue from traffic should be diverted into general provincial revenues instead of earmarked back into the police budget. Policing should be a cost centre not a revenue generator. Therefore there will only be incentive to enforce the roads from a safety perspective instead of on the basis of generating revenue. Enough with the Revenue quotas.

They are put back into a provincial fund...but ultimately, some of that money does end up back in CPS' budget. Obviously its not an immediate thing, but it does make its way back.

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

The real problem is why the people in front of you made you wait in line? I know I always offer for anyone in uniform to go ahead of me.

they're just regular people doing a job and don't need special treatment when waiting in lines.

[WilsonFourTwo]

^ Agreed. I know that my desk job frequently involves dealing with violent crackheads and requires me to carry a firearm.

Every day that I put on one of my $300 ties could be my last - who knows what could happen in my highly sterile, scheduled and predictable workplace.

[THE SCUD]

I'm 99% sure the OP is upset because he wants to join the CPS and these cuts are hurting his chances, with the recruiting class cuts he keeps bringing up.

Pretty funny to see it spun as a "woe is Calgary" angle, when the OP appears to have a vested selfish interest

[Yasa]

Originally Posted by WilsonFourTwo

^ Agreed. I know that my desk job frequently involves dealing with violent crackheads and requires me to carry a firearm.

Every day that I put on one of my $300 ties could be my last - who knows what could happen in my highly sterile, scheduled and predictable workplace.

In my case, I don't carry a gun. I'd have to deal with crack heads though! But if anybody wants to get out of my way so I can get food faster, then I won't stop them.

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by THE SCUD

I'm 99% sure the OP is upset because he wants to join the CPS and these cuts are hurting his chances, with the recruiting class cuts he keeps bringing up.

Pretty funny to see it spun as a "woe is Calgary" angle, when the OP appears to have a vested selfish interest

Really? So my interest in CPS receiving the funding it needs to do it's job is selfish? The fact that 300 members of CPS are ready to retire and there will be no bodies to replace them with from new recruiting classes shows my self interest?

Calgary can not afford to sacrifice any of the essential services be it CFD/EMS/CPS. Lets support the funding of a pedestrian bridge that is costing the city 10's of millions above what it should and cut back on policing, because crime rates are down!

I care about a safe community for my family, more people should!

[peter12]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

Yes and the way to continue that trend is to cut the budget and cut recruits!

I am almost certain there is a completely spurious connection between x amount of officers and crime rates.

[THE SCUD]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

Really? So my interest in CPS receiving the funding it needs to do it's job is selfish? The fact that 300 members of CPS are ready to retire and there will be no bodies to replace them with from new recruiting classes shows my self interest?

Calgary can not afford to sacrifice any of the essential services be it CFD/EMS/CPS. Lets support the funding of a pedestrian bridge that is costing the city 10's of millions above what it should and cut back on policing, because crime rates are down!

I care about a safe community for my family, more people should!

I meant that your OP came across with such spin that you've got to have a horse in this race, and that was my guess (recruiting). The above post I've quoted further illustrates that you're very invested in whatever horse you've got in this race. From my perspective, I am fine with the cuts. It's a small amount percentage wise and will force CPS, the city's single largest expenditure, to find efficiencies. The police should not be above this.

As a former law enforcement officer I am very pro law and order, but I also know that we are seeing significant trends downwards in most crimes, and efficiencies and small scale cuts are not a bad idea for our police forces. Much like the world's militaries, the police have been slow to adopt to the new world of crime / war and need to focus their resources better.

This means more organized crime and electronic crime resources, at the expense of crimes that are dropping like a rock, such as car theft (the USA for example hasn't seen car theft levels like this since the early 1960s, thanks to modern theft electronics in cars).

I am of the school of thought that you operate the public purse like a business. If crime is dropping and dropping you cut back until it starts to level out, then stabilize funding and tweak from there. This is the first step in that process and I applaud it.

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by peter12

I am almost certain there is a completely spurious connection between x amount of officers and crime rates.

There are studies that say different. Just a quick google search show this one from FSU.

http://www.fsu.edu/news/2005/06/24/more.cops/

[THE SCUD]

the crap that group was stirring up in the OP link (the tempest in a tea pot comment was very apt) made me email my alderman and Nenshi to support further cuts to CPS.

[Ducay]

Lock the thread guys, the Peace Bridge has been mentioned (CP's "Nazi" Rule, I like to call it the "Rick Bell's Law"). All further discussion is moot

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

Lets support the funding of a pedestrian bridge that is costing the city 10's of millions above what it should and cut back on policing, because crime rates are down!

The money for these two items comes from different budgets.

The bridge will not be costing 10s of millions above what it should.

[jayswin]

Did this thread seriously turn into another peace bridge discussion? FFS.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

The money for these two items comes from different budgets.

The bridge will not be costing 10s of millions above what it should.

You should just create a text file you can copy and paste whenever somebody makes these comments. I'm amazed how often people say this! They must be reading Calgary Herald or Sun comment sections or something.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by jar_e

Don't kid yourself, if these cuts are as drastic as they sound, chances are enforcement will be probably increased in a hope to try to recoup some of those costs back from the province.

Its too bad police seem to be such a reactionary service to most. People harp on how low crime rates are and how low the homicide rate is. People are too quick to forget 2008-2009 were the most violent years in Calgary history with the highest gang violence and 26 and 34 homicides respectively.

CPS put a lot of work and effort into locking these gang-bangers up and enforcing conditions. And even though a lot of these people are currently incarcerated, knowing the Canadian justice system, they will be released soon, and its only logical to presume that the gang thing will flare up again.

Its unfortunate cause chances are crime rates will probably increase and as much as they say it won't happen, service levels will be decreased. Of course, when something horrible happens and another innocent person gets shot and killed, CPS will be labeled at fault and than news agencies will start beating the "why was their budget cut" drum.

How did you have time to post this? Shouldn't you be out stopping crimes? I mean, if you seriously have 5 minutes to post on CP, then what's the point of even having emergency services?

...and I hope you're not thinking of eating anything today, becuase that takes time....time that isn't yours.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

You should just create a text file you can copy and paste whenever somebody makes these comments. I'm amazed how often people say this! They must be reading Calgary Herald or Sun comment sections or something.

It can go with my "cement =/= concrete" text file.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

It can go with my "cement =/= concrete" text file.

Why do they keep saying "Cement and Concrete workers are off the job" at the WTC site? How redundant is that!