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Old 05-06-2005, 09:05 AM   #21
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Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+May 6 2005, 10:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ May 6 2005, 10:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Cheese@May 6 2005, 06:40 AM
...you know...way back when the English had comedians?
Without adding anything to this Election conversation I wll respond to this quip by Cheese.
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Old 05-06-2005, 09:06 AM   #22
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Do you realize if Blair gets re-elected that completes the list of leaders of the coalition of the willing that were up for re-election and got it?# I thought the Iraq war was going to cost them their political careers?# It seems the war was much less an issue than people thought.
Not sure what you're talking about, the Spanish government didn't do so well...

I also think that the War is a _huge_ issue... it just so happens that enough people support it, or have even stronger issues to vote for (stem cell/abortion/religion) which happens to put them in the 'pro-war' camp. A lot of Christians down south voted for Bush, but are against the war... they were just against Kerry more.

edit: Fox news story on Spain's government electoral loss (directly tied to the War on Terror).

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114147,00.html
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Old 05-06-2005, 11:50 AM   #23
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I would say the loss in Spain had much more to do with the bombing and the lie than Iraq.

I do think you are right as well about the American South, as well as the vast majority of the rural areas of the US. They will never vote for a Liberal Democrat from the NE, they just can't relate. The funny thing is that all the people from the NE and the rust belt are moving to the south and west. Texas and Florida will eclipse New York by 2010 and coincidentally have more electoral votes. The bastions of the Democrats are losing population at an alarming rate. We will have to see if in the future whether they keep voting Dem after the move and dilute the Red states or go to the dark side.

Blair won, Bush won, Howard won. For an action that was touted as "Political suicide" they are still standing. For all the talk coming from the left there as been scant results.

Lets see how Chiraq and Schroeder do in their next election.
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Well, the 'lie' was the Spanish government claiming that the Basques were responsible for the bombing, when it was later shown to be Islamic militants. This action was directly tied to Spain's involvement in Iraq and the War on Terror, but I hear what you're saying.

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I do think you are right as well about the American South, as well as the vast majority of the rural areas of the US. They will never vote for a Liberal Democrat from the NE, they just can't relate. The funny thing is that all the people from the NE and the rust belt are moving to the south and west. Texas and Florida will eclipse New York by 2010 and coincidentally have more electoral votes. The bastions of the Democrats are losing population at an alarming rate. We will have to see if in the future whether they keep voting Dem after the move and dilute the Red states or go to the dark side.
The demographic shift might be interesting, or it might be moot. California is a 'bastion' of the Democrats (despite its Govern...ator), and I'm sure its population will be growing too.

I'm also fairly sure that 'non-white' groups are growing at a _much_ faster rate than whites in the US (mostly Mexican/South American influx), and these people will probably be the toss-up deciding factor over the next few decades. They're in an interesting spot, in that economically they'd most likely vote Democrat, while ideologically (heavily Christian) they may side w/ the Republicans.

Bottom-line, it will be the people new to the US that make the largest impact on the voting scheme there over the next 30-50 years, as opposed to internal demographic movements.

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Blair won, Bush won, Howard won. For an action that was touted as "Political suicide" they are still standing. For all the talk coming from the left there as been scant results.
This would be absolutely true if these elections were direct and pure referendums on the War in Iraq. However, context cannot be ignored. As I pointed out above, many Christians against the War may have voted for Bush because they liked other peices of his agenda. Similarly, some Leftists may have voted against Kerry because they can't bring themselves to support a 'Nam veteran (baby-killer rhetoric). I don't see political elections as very indicative of popular opinion on single-issues, but rather a complex myriad of issues, emotions, and the events immediately preceding the election.
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Old 05-06-2005, 03:29 PM   #25
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I see your point on the elections and what I was trying to say was that as it occured the press and those on the left were wringing their hands saying that that decision would cost him (insert Bush, Blair or Howard) dearly and it hasn't. Not sure what to think of that. Is it a timing issue where it was already old news or is it that foreign policy simply doesn't have that sort of impact on local elections? It is not just the US either UK and Aus voters did the same thing. Spain would be the example of the war being brought to the fore as the result of the bombing.

I vote right the bulk of the time but wish there was a viable third party of Moderates to choose. All we seem to see now is polarization, idealogues on both sides are out of control.

The Demographic shift will be interesting as well as the decline of the baby boomer population. The majority of the imigrants come from the heavily catholic south american countries so I am predicting the shift to the right will continue.
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Originally posted by Cheese+May 6 2005, 07:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cheese @ May 6 2005, 07:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
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@May 6 2005, 06:40 AM
...you know...way back when the English had comedians?

Without adding anything to this Election conversation I wll respond to this quip by Cheese.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0315041/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290978/
Id swear you were a Producer for that show MMF!
You need to get after them to pay you royalties for promotions.

Now back to my Benny Hill reruns.... [/b][/quote]
Yeah and all the great Canadian comedians don't forget them...oh well the ones that live here at any rate (realise there's quite a few ex pats that make a few films )
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