Casey Anthony - Guilty, or not guilty?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Pretty convenient that these allegations came out when the daughter is facing the death penalty. Do they not have to provide some sort of evidence to back these very serious allegations?

And regardless, even if she was molested, it doesn't excuse killing your daughter.

If they want those allegations to actually impact the case, then yes, evidence would probably be somewhat helpful. And while it may be convenient the thing I took issue with was your statement directed at the attorney, someone doing thir job and providing the accused with the right to competent defense that they are due. And you condemn them for it. Classy.

Maybe you'd be happier if the defense attorney decided to omit some possible arguments. That would work out great, then we could all enjoy a lengthy appeal based on an ineffective assistance of counsel claim. If that failed we could then enjoy another lengthy appeal on the sentencing aspect, again based on ineffective assistance of counsel. Yeah, that sounds like a great outcome.

[metallicat]

Well I'd prefer a defence attorney take the moral high road and not bring up allegations of molestation. That's pretty serious stuff, I'm not sure anyone innocent would like that attached to their character. If it's true, then fine. But I don't know that they brought any evidence in. If they did, I'll take my comment back. I just think it's pretty bad if someone has to falsely ruin the credibility of someone in order to try and get their client off.

And it's not as if this is a spic and span lawyer anyways.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-antho...ry?id=13784113

[valo403]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Well I'd prefer a defence attorney take the moral high road and not bring up allegations of molestation. That's pretty serious stuff, I'm not sure anyone innocent would like that attached to their character. If it's true, then fine. But I don't know that they brought any evidence in. If they did, I'll take my comment back. I just think it's pretty bad if someone has to falsely ruin the credibility of someone in order to try and get their client off.

And it's not as if this is a spic and span lawyer anyways.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-antho...ry?id=13784113

So what if the guy has his own issues? He's diligently representing his client, and to you that's grounds to call him a disgusting human being. That's pathetic.

And again, just so it's clear. Taking the "moral high road" means not presenting potential mitigating evidence, which means a much greater chance of a succesful appeal. That would be a great result for everyone wouldn't it?

[metallicat]

Are you a defence lawyer? You're taking my opinion pretty personally.

As for the evidence, I haven't exactly been sitting in the court room, but IS there any when it comes to this specific defence of molestation?

[puckluck]

She's either guilty or one messed up human being the way she reacted to her kid disappearing. Either way she's a weirdo who doesn't belong in society.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Are you a defence lawyer? You're taking my opinion pretty personally.

As for the evidence, I haven't exactly been sitting in the court room, but IS there any when it comes to this specific defence of molestation?

I'm not a defense lawyer, but I find it incredibly pathetic that someone is vilified for doing their job and affording the accused the rights that they have been granted. It would be much better if those accused of crimes were simply left to their own defense wouldn't it? That seems like a system based upon notions of justice.

I haven't read the transcript, but as stated before, unless there is a reasonable basis for the claim making it is essentially asking for his license to practice to be revoked. This isn't a trial about past molestation, you don't need to present particular evidence to support every statement made. If the prosecution beleived it to be without merit it would have been objected to and stricken.

[metallicat]

I am not against defence lawyers, or having someone competent represent them. If there's legitimate reasons that she should be found not guilty, by all means, bring them up. Calling her dad and brother pedophiles, crosses a line IMO. IMO, see that? Her dad tried to commit suicide a while back, I wonder what's going on in his mind now that he's being accused of molesting his daughter.

We can go back and forth on this all you want. So I'll say one more thing about it, and then you can call me pathetic and call me a coward for running away from our argument, and whatever else you want. The following is my opinion and my guess as to this whole molestation angle: it isn't true, and it's just a far fetched ploy to try and get her off for the heinous crime that she actually committed.

Have at it.

[Shazam]

Can't we just dip her into boiling oil? Along with Canucks fans?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I am not against defence lawyers, or having someone competent represent them. If there's legitimate reasons that she should be found not guilty, by all means, bring them up. Calling her dad and brother pedophiles, crosses a line IMO. IMO, see that? Her dad tried to commit suicide a while back, I wonder what's going on in his mind now that he's being accused of molesting his daughter.

We can go back and forth on this all you want. So I'll say one more thing about it, and then you can call me pathetic and call me a coward for running away from our argument, and whatever else you want. The following is my opinion and my guess as to this whole molestation angle: it isn't true, and it's just a far fetched ploy to try and get her off for the heinous crime that she actually committed.

Have at it.

So just so I'm clear, your opinion as to the truth of the claim, based upon scant knowledge of the reality, is enough to call someone a despicable human being for doing their job?

Good to know

And for the record, she very well could be making it up, but her attorney isn't expected to conduct a full scale investigation into the truth of his clients claims. If there's a reasonable basis for believing the claims to be true, and presenting the claims would be in the best intersts of the client counsel has a duty to do so. If you want to call someone a despicable human being put the blame where it belongs, on the person accused of murder and the person making claims of molestation, not on the person doing their job by presenting their clients case.

[valo403]

Found not guilty. I don't know all the details about this case, but it looks like the prosecution failed to present anything more than circumstantial and character evidence. Tough to meet the burden of proof without something more substantial than that.

[jkstuart12]

beaten to it

[PIMking]

Nancy Grace is about ready to blow!

[Frequitude]

I guess all they really had was some duct tape and bad smells.

But really, who the hell duct tapes the mouth of their drowned child. Murder or not, she should rot in jail for doing what she did to her daughter's body then going out to party.

[WilsonFourTwo]

The ONLY thing I know about this case is that Nancy Grace is an embarrassment to the human race.

[d_phaneuf]

biggest blame here falls on the prosecution, they failed so so hard

she is 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999999999999999999999% guilty but they did nothing to get anywhere close to proving it

just terrible

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by valo403

Found not guilty. I don't know all the details about this case, but it looks like the prosecution failed to present anything more than circumstantial and character evidence. Tough to meet the burden of proof without something more substantial than that.

Family dinners are going to be a little more difficult going forward.

Cowperson

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Nancy Grace is about ready to blow!

I hope somebody films the final explosion with high speed, high definition cameras. I'd watch that repulsive human being get blown to bits in slow motion!

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by WilsonFourTwo

The ONLY thing I know about this case is that Nancy Grace is an embarrassment to the human race.

This is what I'm starting to think. We all were forced into thinking this woman was guilty because of Nancy's beating the horse and basically calling for her arrest. If she was guilty of the charges Nancy made it impossible for anyone to conduct a fair or correct trial.

Nancy should be banned from TV

[Flashpoint]

Caylee was last seen June 16, 2008, but was not reported missing until July 15, 2008, when Casey Anthony's mother, Cindy Anthony, tracked her daughter down and demanded answers regarding Caylee's whereabouts.

I don't know any sane innocent mother that would do that.

[Ashasx]

It's obvious that she did it.