Revenge of the Sith

[The Familia]

Does anyone else hear foster the same hatred toward people who camp out for Star Wars tickets as me? Does anyone else feel like beating the living crap out of these people? Do these people have lives or anythign better to do? What posses someone to camp outside on concrete to be the "first one" to watch a movie they can easily see the next day, or the next or the next.... I don't understand. I can understand a sports game (game 7 Stanley Cup) because that is a once in a lifetime REAL time event. This seems so pointless.

[Flame On]

Originally posted by The Familia@May 3 2005, 07:41 PM
Does anyone else hear foster the same hatred toward people who camp out for Star Wars tickets as me? Does anyone else feel like beating the living crap out of these people? Do these people have lives or anythign better to do? What posses someone to camp outside on concrete to be the "first one" to watch a movie they can easily see the next day, or the next or the next.... I don't understand. I can understand a sports game (game 7 Stanley Cup) because that is a once in a lifetime REAL time event. This seems so pointless.

Why don't you go to a line up and try and beat the living crap outta some one lining up then? Hell I love the films I've lined up for the first one (pointlessly it turns out)
Christ the one that needs to get a life is the one that gets so wound up about what gives other people harmless pleasure.
Further I always love threads like this where people bash the wars, and then in the "best film" or "best film scene ever" threads all I see is total crap that any of the Wars films could stand up against if not destroy. Someone actually mentioned Jurasic park!
###### rant over.

Edit: Sorry Familia bit harsh on second look. I should read the stress thread or something.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally posted by The Familia@May 3 2005, 08:41 PM
Does anyone else hear foster the same hatred toward people who camp out for Star Wars tickets as me? Does anyone else feel like beating the living crap out of these people? Do these people have lives or anythign better to do? What posses someone to camp outside on concrete to be the "first one" to watch a movie they can easily see the next day, or the next or the next.... I don't understand. I can understand a sports game (game 7 Stanley Cup) because that is a once in a lifetime REAL time event. This seems so pointless.

Where's that link to Triumph the Comic Dog at the Star Wars convention or whatever?

[Hakan]

Please. Comparing the first trilogy to this one is apples and oranges. The old trilogy had style. The effects, the characters, the setting the mystique. All these new ones have is alot of really bad cgi effects to compensate for the vortex of style or substance.

There's just so much wrong with the new movies that I could write an essay on it and not even cover everything.

How about the midichlorians crap? Why wasn't it okay to just let the force be the force instead of putting in some plot hole ridden sub story of midichlorians? A testament to the horrid writing is how far star wars fanatics will dig to find fleeting aspects of relevance in the utterly simple expository dialogue to explain the larger backstory. A well written story would not have to straining to connect the dots but still be enough to be mysterious. This story is just vacuous and forced.

I for one thought episode two was actually worse than episode one. Hayden's acting is actually worse than Lloyd's and the story is just one giant clusterfata that gives me the impression they wrote a bunch of 'cool' ideas into a semi-coherent narrative instead of having one large narrative and applying the scenes after that. The other reason I like Ep1 better is because it has a WAY better jedi fight. And no that cgi matrix duel between yoda and dooku does not count because it's total crap which was obviously written in at the end when Lucas realized that his movie sucked so he needed a big payoff scene at the end to try and salvage it., hence Yoda fighting.

Meh, maybe I'm a cynic, but I could barely stomach episode II. I just hated how he systematically ruined the story and mystery he built up in the previous trilogy. For instace, Boba Fett. Why do we need to see what's behind the mask? Why write this really bad Boba Fett revenge story? Why had all the Jedi's lose in a battle to a bunch of droids of all things? Gah!

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Pfffft. Star Trek Rules..... Star Wars Drools...... :geek:

(/ducks)

[The Familia]

Originally posted by Flame On+May 3 2005, 09:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flame On @ May 3 2005, 09:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-The Familia@May 3 2005, 07:41 PM
Does anyone else hear foster the same hatred toward people who camp out for Star Wars tickets as me? Does anyone else feel like beating the living crap out of these people? Do these people have lives or anythign better to do? What posses someone to camp outside on concrete to be the "first one" to watch a movie they can easily see the next day, or the next or the next.... I don't understand. I can understand a sports game (game 7 Stanley Cup) because that is a once in a lifetime REAL time event. This seems so pointless.

Why don't you go to a line up and try and beat the living crap outta some one lining up then? Hell I love the films I've lined up for the first one (pointlessly it turns out)
I invite you to try that on me mr.gumby! I'd love you to.
Christ the one that needs to get a life is the one that gets so wound up about what gives other people harmless pleasure.
Further I always love threads like this where people bash the wars, and then in the "best film" or "best film scene ever" threads all I see is total crap that any of the Wars films could stand up against if not destroy. Someone actually mentioned Jurasic park for ######'s sake. Maybe you should tell us what you do iin your spare time to defend yourself before you wade into others like a coward.
###### rant over.

Edit: Sorry Familia bit harsh on second look. I should read the stress thread or something. [/b][/quote]
Take a downer buddy. Obviously your the one getting worked up over nothing. Ever hear of figurative speech? Yes because I'm actually gonna waste my time to go start a fight with some guy in a star wars lineup. Get over yourself. I guess you take this Star Wars thing very seriously. In that case good for you. What ever floats your boat. I like Jurassic Park and I do enjoy Star Wars, the original three that is. I have many other things that I like to do that seem a bit more productive than sleeping in a tent outside a theater though in my own mind. If you wanna find out so badly PM me and I'll give you a detailed list of my hobbies and interests. We have different views obviously. Now as for threatening me on a personal level assclown, my post was not intended directly at you fool. If you wanna start shinguard tough guy then be my guest. By the way if you feel your post was to harsh, then edit it and delete half the stuff.

[Thunderball]

Originally posted by Hakan@May 3 2005, 10:37 PM
Please. Comparing the first trilogy to this one is apples and oranges. The old trilogy had style. The effects, the characters, the setting the mystique. All these new ones have is alot of really bad cgi effects to compensate for the vortex of style or substance.

There's just so much wrong with the new movies that I could write an essay on it and not even cover everything.

How about the midichlorians crap? Why wasn't it okay to just let the force be the force instead of putting in some plot hole ridden sub story of midichlorians? A testament to the horrid writing is how far star wars fanatics will dig to find fleeting aspects of relevance in the utterly simple expository dialogue to explain the larger backstory. A well written story would not have to straining to connect the dots but still be enough to be mysterious. This story is just vacuous and forced.

I for one thought episode two was actually worse than episode one. Hayden's acting is actually worse than Lloyd's and the story is just one giant clusterfata that gives me the impression they wrote a bunch of 'cool' ideas into a semi-coherent narrative instead of having one large narrative and applying the scenes after that. The other reason I like Ep1 better is because it has a WAY better jedi fight. And no that cgi matrix duel between yoda and dooku does not count because it's total crap which was obviously written in at the end when Lucas realized that his movie sucked so he needed a big payoff scene at the end to try and salvage it., hence Yoda fighting.

Meh, maybe I'm a cynic, but I could barely stomach episode II. I just hated how he systematically ruined the story and mystery he built up in the previous trilogy. For instace, Boba Fett. Why do we need to see what's behind the mask? Why write this really bad Boba Fett revenge story? Why had all the Jedi's lose in a battle to a bunch of droids of all things? Gah!

I thought the midichlorian thing was really ######ed... but I think they had a good reason for it.

I remember hearing that they created "midichlorians" so that they'd have a tangible way to show that Anakin was the most powerful Jedi and the Chosen One... I think a scene of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan being momentarily overwhelmed by the force strength would've been good enough, but what do I know...

Star Wars and Star Trek suffer from a similar disease... not oversaturation... but bad leadership. Lucas can't write and his stories reflect that. Berman and Braga aren't creative, and thats why Star Trek seems tired and overdone. Lets hope for the love of both franchises that Paramount gets some new leadership for Trek and start again soon (cause Enterprise is actually good now that those goofs aren't in charge of it), and Lucas hands the writing back to people who can write and turn Lucas' scattered ideas into something memorable (even if cheesy)

Wow, I'm showing my nerd roots here... yikes.

[Rubber Ducky]

Originally posted by JiriHrdina@May 3 2005, 09:28 AM
The problem is there was no compelling story.

I think that Episode I and II actually have quite a compelling story. Senator/Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine is the most important character in both movies - he has to disrupt a thousand years of peace so that he can gain power, and not have anyone suspect it's him. He does a masterful job of it.

I agree - at first glance, a trade blockade (in Episode I) seems lame, but most wars start over political matters, don't they?

I think that George did a fantastic job telling his story of the start of the 'star wars'.

Episodes IV, V and VI had it easy - they walked into the middle of a war and told the story. Episodes I and II have to show the political manipulation to start the war - far less sexy than starting with war already raging.

Chancellor Palpatine created a droid army and a clone army - all in secret - to play off against each other. Absolutely brilliant.

[Rubber Ducky]

Originally posted by dustygoon@May 3 2005, 03:13 PM
The dialogue in the last two movies never had any of the "castle run in 12 parsecs" and "gundarks" and all those other worldy dialogue bits. His script writing was even more bland.

Are you referring to Episodes I and II by saying '...the last two movies...'? Because if so, you're incorrect.

In Episode II, parsecs and gundarks are both mentioned.

Anakin reminded Obi-wan that he had to save him when Obi-wan fell into a nest of gundarks. And Dex told Obi-wan where the mysterious planet of Kamino was - it was something like 1 parsec from the Rishi Maze, or something like that.

[ernie]

Originally posted by MarchHare@May 3 2005, 03:28 PM
"You like me because I'm a scoundrel. There aren't enough scoundrels in your life."
"I happen to like nice men."
"I'm nice men."

"I love you."
"I know."

vs.

"I don't like the sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating--not like you. You're soft and smooth."

Of course you are trying to compare lines written for and spoken by adult characters to those written for and spoken by young, insecure teenage characters. Truly, that line may be "awful" but I've said things just as bad when I was a teenager and you can hear the same cheese from teenagers now.

[ernie]

The acting -- the lines in the original trilogy were cheesy but the acting was decent. In the prequels the dialogue is worse and, while McGregor and Liam Neeson have been decent, Jake Llyod and Hayden Christensen have been awful.

Yep because Mark Hamill was a great actor

The Tone -- As I said before, watch the Battle of Hoth in Empire vs. The Gungan Battle in Ep I. Completely different tones; the first great sci-fi action, the latter a kids cartoon. There are hundreds of similar examples.

Perhaps. Or perhaps it's because of how old you are when you saw and loved the originals versus now. Kids now love those battle scenes as much as we did those in the first movies. Different yes but both are good action. Both were made for kids and loved by the kids that saw them.

[Flames89]

Originally posted by fotze@May 4 2005, 09:13 AM
As "Star Wars" fans eagerly anticipate the May 19 opening of "Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith," the final installment of the most successful and celebrated film franchise in history, the classic "Star Wars" characters from a galaxy far, far away are taking a far more active role in pitching products in TV spots here on Earth than they have for any of the earlier films in the franchise.

As part of their promotional deals with "Star Wars" creator George Lucas' Lucasfilm for "Sith" -- which include tens of millions of dollars of marketing support for the movie -- Burger King, Kellogg's and Cingular Wireless commercials will feature such perennial "Star Wars" favorites as Chewbacca, R2-D2, C-3PO and Darth Vader in their TV commercials. Pepsi has exclusive rights to feature Yoda in its spot. And two other promotional partners, PepsiCo.'s Frito-Lay and Masterfoods' M&M's, are featuring their own animated Cheetos and M&M's brands dressed up as "Star Wars" characters in their TV spots.

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news/story...0&w=RTR&coview=

I feel nauseous already.

[Flame On]

[quote]Originally posted by The Familia@May 3 2005, 10:14 PM
[QUOTE]Take a downer buddy. Obviously your the one getting worked up over nothing. Ever hear of figurative speech? Yes because I'm actually gonna waste my time to go start a fight with some guy in a star wars lineup. Get over yourself. I guess you take this Star Wars thing very seriously. In that case good for you. What ever floats your boat. I like Jurassic Park and I do enjoy Star Wars, the original three that is. I have many other things that I like to do that seem a bit more productive than sleeping in a tent outside a theater though in my own mind. If you wanna find out so badly PM me and I'll give you a detailed list of my hobbies and interests. We have different views obviously. Now as for threatening me on a personal level assclown, my post was not intended directly at you fool. If you wanna start shinguard tough guy then be my guest. By the way if you feel your post was to harsh, then edit it and delete half the stuff. You mention you wanna beat up people in a line up then try and say you're not going to waste my time going to a lineup to do that and then it's me who needs to calm down? Oh yeah and then there's the tough guy, fool and assclown remarks. I don't need to PM you, do what you want to do I just hope someone doesn't feel the need to suggest some beating for you wanting to do it.

[Rubber Ducky]

Originally posted by Flames89+May 4 2005, 07:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flames89 @ May 4 2005, 07:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fotze@May 4 2005, 09:13 AM
As "Star Wars" fans eagerly anticipate the May 19 opening of "Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith," the final installment of the most successful and celebrated film franchise in history, the classic "Star Wars" characters from a galaxy far, far away are taking a far more active role in pitching products in TV spots here on Earth than they have for any of the earlier films in the franchise.

As part of their promotional deals with "Star Wars" creator George Lucas' Lucasfilm for "Sith" -- which include tens of millions of dollars of marketing support for the movie -- Burger King, Kellogg's and Cingular Wireless commercials will feature such perennial "Star Wars" favorites as Chewbacca, R2-D2, C-3PO and Darth Vader in their TV commercials. Pepsi has exclusive rights to feature Yoda in its spot. And two other promotional partners, PepsiCo.'s Frito-Lay and Masterfoods' M&M's, are featuring their own animated Cheetos and M&M's brands dressed up as "Star Wars" characters in their TV spots.

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news/story...0&w=RTR&coview=

I feel nauseous already. [/b][/quote]
You feel nauseous? Why? Cause George wants to make some money?

How about supply and demand? People want it, and George is giving it to them.

I don't blame him one bit.

Pass the Star Wars M&M's please.

[MarchHare]

I think that Episode I and II actually have quite a compelling story. Senator/Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine is the most important character in both movies - he has to disrupt a thousand years of peace so that he can gain power, and not have anyone suspect it's him. He does a masterful job of it.

I will give Lucas credit for Palpatine's story...it's about the only thing decent in the prequels, and all of his scenes are great. It does show that Lucas's strength (his ability to imagine a cool story) is still intact, but his weaknesses (his inability to write dialogue or work with actors) shine through.

What really bugs me is Anakin's character. In the original trilogy we're lead to believe that he was once a good and noble man who fell to evil and temptation. But all we see in Episode II is a guy who's alternatively a whiney brat or an arrogant jerk. There's absolutely nothing sympathetic about his character at all.

[nfotiu]

Originally posted by Rubber Ducky+May 4 2005, 02:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rubber Ducky @ May 4 2005, 02:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I feel nauseous already.

You feel nauseous? Why? Cause George wants to make some money?

How about supply and demand? People want it, and George is giving it to them.

I don't blame him one bit.

Pass the Star Wars M&M's please. [/b][/quote]
It's better than the product placement trend that is so prevalent these days. Until yoda starts drinking a coke in the movie, or obi-wan buys the new BMW land speeder, I don't see the reason to complain. Star Wars has been into the cross-promotion game from day 1. Why not have someone else pay to market your movie?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally posted by ernie@May 4 2005, 06:02 AM

Yep because Mark Hamill was a great actor

Perhaps. Or perhaps it's because of how old you are when you saw and loved the originals versus now. Kids now love those battle scenes as much as we did those in the first movies. Different yes but both are good action. Both were made for kids and loved by the kids that saw them.

Fine but what you're missing is the fact that the original triology was loved by adults as much as kids. The original movies were not just kid movies. Talk to people who were in their 20s/30s at the time and they love those movies just as much as those of us that were kids at the time.

The new movies may be great for kids but its the limited appeal of them and inability to satisfy an adult audience that makes them a gigantic failure.

[ernie]

I don't think so. My parents were in that late 20's early 30's age group as were all their friends at the time those movies came out and I can say unequivocably that none of those people liked the movies let alone loved them. In fact it was very much confusing to them how such bad movies could be so popular with the kids. Teenagers yes, maybe even very early 20's (not all) but certainly most parents who brought their kids to those movies did not like them. Heck I remember my parents just dropping us off at the theaters because they had no interest in seeing Empire or Return of the Jedi having seen the first one. It was a kid/teenage phenomenom and it still is. Nowadays teenagers have more access to different programs than we did....South Park, Trailer park Boys etc and Star Wars may not resonate as much with them as it did with teenagers with the original 3 came out. But it certainly resonates with the kids and young teens today....the same crowd that it resonanted the most with back then. Of course you'll find people who watched the originals in their 30's and loved them but by and large the market was kids and teenagers and those were the age groups that loved the movie.

Yep those movies have been such gigantic failures. Loved by the kids they were made for. Made millions and millions of dollars...because people went and saw them not just once but several times.

[ernie]

Originally posted by MarchHare@May 4 2005, 08:02 AM
What really bugs me is Anakin's character. In the original trilogy we're lead to believe that he was once a good and noble man who fell to evil and temptation. But all we see in Episode II is a guy who's alternatively a whiney brat or an arrogant jerk. There's absolutely nothing sympathetic about his character at all.

It's almost as if he was...gasp...a teenager.

[JiriHrdina]

^^I guess I should have clarified that by failure I meant by artistic standards not commercial. If you believe the movies were intended just for kids then its hard to dispute. However, if you think (as I do) that the movies intended to reach a broader audience then I think they missed the mark. Agree to disagree I guess.