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Weiser Wonder · 05-09-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Oilbert

Ian White is a top 4 defenseman, one would hope a prospect from the 2nd round can become similar to that. But I understand the comparision is off because of the height differential. Maybe a Braydon Coburn or Tom Gilbert type player?

That's irrelevant. Obviously, Ian White is a better defensemen at the moment.

And you understand incorrectly, skating is the main difference between the players. Ian White must overcome his mobility to be effective, while mobility is Brodie's greatest strength.

Ring of Fire · 05-09-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Oilbert

Ian White is a top 4 defenseman, one would hope a prospect from the 2nd round can become similar to that. But I understand the comparision is off because of the height differential. Maybe a Braydon Coburn or Tom Gilbert type player?

Ian White is also not a top-4 defenceman. He is able to put up great offensive stats with PP time and against weak competition on the third pairing. He struggled in the top-4 role with Calgary and is now on San Jose's third pairing. White is what he is: an offensive specialist.

The reason the Ian White-TJ Brodie comparison is off has nothing to do with size difference and everything to do with style of play. Both are offensive defencemen but different styles. Brodie moves the puck well and is a great skater. I would say he might become more of a Brian Rafalski type player but comparables are difficult at this point.

Oilbert · 05-09-2011, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Not sure if I'm misunderstanding your post but Brodie isn't a 2nd round pick - he's a 4th rounder.

Wow! I assumed he was a 2nd round pick for some reason. His progress looks amazing for a 4th round pick.

Erick Estrada · 05-10-2011, 09:40 AM

Back on topic it looks pretty clear watching the worlds that Erixon is nearly a surefire NHLer while the jury is still out on Brodie being a full time NHL player. I wonder if the Oilers would consider a package of Erixon and the 13th pick for 1st overall? As much as I think Erixon is a player the Flames really, really need a blue chip offensive guy like RNH. The Oilers meanwhile would get a badly needed top defensive prospect as well as a top 15 pick to address either another defenseman or center.

JiriHrdina · 05-10-2011, 09:59 AM

Yeah but if the Oilers need a top line defender - they can just draft Larsson instead. I simply can't see a way that the Oil trade that pick to their rivals and risk getting burned by a guy like RNH for the next decade.

I do agree they need both a centre and a defender.

Calgaryborn · 05-10-2011, 10:22 AM

I'm sure Erixon could handle 3rd pairing duties with the big club right out of the gate. He probably be better served though to start off on the farm though to learn the system, different rules, and smaller ice surfaces. I imagine that just the number of games he would be playing in a season would be an adjustment.

Barring serious injury I can't see Erixon not making an impact in the NHL. Hes got the size, speed, and hockey IQ. Wish he was more physical but, perhaps that will come as he matures and increases in strength.

blankall · 05-10-2011, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Then there's Matt Pelech. Probably his last chance to make the team.

Right now where are we at?

Regehr-Bouw
Gio-Sarich

Then question marks re. whether Pardy/Babchuk/Carson get re-signed.

So it would seem like there is going to be one - perhaps two spots open.

I would like to see Mikkelson and Babchuk resigned, and then Sarich moved. Then put in 2 of the major defensive prospects in the 6-7 spots.

I realize there is a possibility that our defence could end up considerably worse without Sarich, but the Flames need to develop defensive prospects. Plus, this allows cap space to be moved from defence to offence. If Langkow is back full time, it may be a necessity anyways.

blankall · 05-10-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

That's irrelevant. Obviously, Ian White is a better defensemen at the moment.

And you understand incorrectly, skating is the main difference between the players. Ian White must overcome his mobility to be effective, while mobility is Brodie's greatest strength.

No offense, but you sound like someone on HFBoards right now. White has accomplished a lot mroe than Brodie at this point. White has been easily playing top 4 minutes with the Sharks. Brodie has yet to solidify a spot in the NHL.

JiriHrdina · 05-10-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by blankall

I would like to see Mikkelson and Babchuk resigned, and then Sarich moved. Then put in 2 of the major defensive prospects in the 6-7 spots.

I realize there is a possibility that our defence could end up considerably worse without Sarich, but the Flames need to develop defensive prospects. Plus, this allows cap space to be moved from defence to offence. If Langkow is back full time, it may be a necessity anyways.

There's all sorts of ways this could shake out. There is a belief by some that a major piece could be moved form the core this summer. Regehr seems to be the likely candidate and if that proves to be true - you must keep Sarich. Moreover, I think he had a darn good year and has good chemistry with Gio. I'm not in a rush to trade him.

If that isn't the case I would still look to re-sign Babchuk as long as he's reasonable and then let Brodie/Erixon compete for the #6 spot with guys like Mikkelson (if re-signed), Pelech and Breen battling for the final spot.

prizefighterinferno · 05-10-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by blankall

No offense, but you sound like someone on HFBoards right now. White has accomplished a lot mroe than Brodie at this point. White has been easily playing top 4 minutes with the Sharks. Brodie has yet to solidify a spot in the NHL.

Before dropping a "no offense" comment, reread his post. Firstly, he said that obviously Ian White is a better defenseman right now. So your argument is unnecessary. Secondly, the point he was making was that Ian White's mobility detracts from his overall effectiveness, while Brodie's skating is his biggest asset. And it's true. Brodie could outskate Ian White any day of the week. That has nothing to do with prior "accomplishments" or "experience". Its just a fact.

blankall · 05-10-2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

There's all sorts of ways this could shake out. There is a belief by some that a major piece could be moved form the core this summer. Regehr seems to be the likely candidate and if that proves to be true - you must keep Sarich. Moreover, I think he had a darn good year and has good chemistry with Gio. I'm not in a rush to trade him.

If that isn't the case I would still look to re-sign Babchuk as long as he's reasonable and then let Brodie/Erixon compete for the #6 spot with guys like Mikkelson (if re-signed), Pelech and Breen battling for the final spot.

I don't disagree. I think Regehr is the best value for his contract and leaves a much smaller whole than Sarich. Regehr is also younger. However, someone may offer a lot more for Regehr than Sarich. If a decent first round pick or prospect is offered for Regehr you have to take a long look at it. Sarich on the other hand, is likely to get you a second round pick at best.

Dome Roamer · 05-10-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Oilbert

Wow! I assumed he was a 2nd round pick for some reason. His progress looks amazing for a 4th round pick.

Since when do the flames draft in the 2nd round.

Freeway · 05-10-2011, 11:55 AM

The big knock on Pelech is how many injuries he's had. Most of it is just bad luck, but it's definitely stalled out his development. Playfair REALLY likes Breen and told press that he was gonna be an NHLer.

Having seen both play, I'd lean towards Erixon over Brodie.

Erick Estrada · 05-10-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Yeah but if the Oilers need a top line defender - they can just draft Larsson instead. I simply can't see a way that the Oil trade that pick to their rivals and risk getting burned by a guy like RNH for the next decade.

I do agree they need both a centre and a defender.

Larsson makes sense but Erixon is ready to step in with Eberle and Hall and at least 2-3 solid centers should be available at 13. It was just a passing thought as I have a feeling they are going to take RNH anyway. The Oilers are really going to have a problem keeping all their forwards together after their entry level deals expire.

Right now best the Flames could hope for is probably Mark McNiell at the 13 spot which wouldn't be too bad.

Johnny Rotten · 05-10-2011, 08:40 PM

On the surface, I'd say Erixon has the best chance at being the better d-man between the two, but who have thought three/four years ago that Giordano would turn out to be a better d-man than Phaneuf (at least, as of now)?

Oilbert · 05-10-2011, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Back on topic it looks pretty clear watching the worlds that Erixon is nearly a surefire NHLer while the jury is still out on Brodie being a full time NHL player. I wonder if the Oilers would consider a package of Erixon and the 13th pick for 1st overall? As much as I think Erixon is a player the Flames really, really need a blue chip offensive guy like RNH. The Oilers meanwhile would get a badly needed top defensive prospect as well as a top 15 pick to address either another defenseman or center.

These are the last two teams you'll find trading together, but to deal a potential 1st overall pick to the most hated rival after the tortures endured by Oilers fan this season will not be worth it.

I don't think I (or management) would have the guts to see the Flames picking up RNH with their pick.

I also don't think the downgrade of 1st to 13th is worth Erixon, sorry.

Oilbert · 05-10-2011, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Yeah but if the Oilers need a top line defender - they can just draft Larsson instead. I simply can't see a way that the Oil trade that pick to their rivals and risk getting burned by a guy like RNH for the next decade.

I do agree they need both a centre and a defender.

They're getting a center to play with Hall.

Jarome Iginla is a superstar player, but what could've been if he had a 1st line center? In his brief playing time with a #1 center (Olympics), IIRC he scored 2 goals with Sakic? And the famous Iggy to Crosby pass last year.

I think the lack of a #1 center may have cost the Flames a stanley cup this decade. (2006 and 2004 come to mind)

bubbsy · 05-11-2011, 08:36 AM

i kind of hope the oilers draft RNH. their management probably will, as they just never seem to understand that speed and skill, with zero size and grit, just doesn't get you very far.

cznTiburon · 05-11-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Not sure if I'm misunderstanding your post but Brodie isn't a 2nd round pick - he's a 4th rounder.

And coburn is a first rounder

Oilbert · 05-11-2011, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

i kind of hope the oilers draft RNH. their management probably will, as they just never seem to understand that speed and skill, with zero size and grit, just doesn't get you very far.

Me too! I would love to see a Matt Duchene like player centering the 1st line in a few years!