2011 NFL Draft

[Trojan97]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

The Rams need to add some weapons on offence, only if Donnie Avery can stay heathy he can provide to be a great 2nd target. We need to add a #1 receiver, does anyone thing AJ Green will fall as far down to the Rams?

I don't think he will but it would be a dream come true for the Rams if he did. Julio Jones will end up in St. Louis IMO.

[cross16]

Originally Posted by transplant99

When you win the Superbowl with the 2nd youngest team in the league...you dont need nuthin!!

OK...not really.

With the likely loss of Cullen Jenkins and the second felony arrest for loser Johnny Jolly the Pack will be looking at defensive ends who can play in the 3-4. Craig Heyward of Ohio State has been mentioned. Also with an aging Chad Clifton on the OL, I suspect theyw ill also be drafting another guy there as well even though the plan is for Bryan Baluga to move from RT to LT when Clifton comes to the end of his career.

In order here is what i expect the Pack to do...

1st- DL
2nd-OL
3rd- WR or RB
4th CB or S
5th LB
6th BPA on D who can also retrun kicks/punts
7th BPA on O " "

With the emergence of so many young guys last year when thrust into the spotlight because of injuries and there ability to handle it at the highest level, its a really interesting time for Ted Thompson. Charles Woodson was looking to be a guy that needed to be replaced (though nearly impossible to find such a diverse player at CB) and low and behold here come Tramon Williams and Sam Shiels. Everything right now will be predicated on how much they have to spend at what position.

I would love for them to finally find a franchise RB, though I still think that Ryan Grant if healthy and James Starks are a decent duo and when you throw in John Kuhn as a blocker/short yardage/3rd down guy they should be OK.

It wouldnt hurt to have another weapon for Rodgers down the field either....as much as i like James Jones he drops far to many balls for my liking, especially when he is wide open and can waltz for TD's.

It's weird...they really dont have any glaring holes, but there is always room for improvement on any team.

I'm secretly hoping mark Ingram falls. Some have suggested it could happen, but I dn't think its likely. If it does i'd be thrilled.

I'd move OLB a little higher up the list. I like Zombo and Walden, but i think those guys are nothing but rotation guys. The biggest thing i fear with the loss of Jenkins is more teams are going to double up on Matthews. With a good outside rusher opposit him it could do wonders for their rush d. Hopefully Mike Neal can stay healthy.

Having said that Ingram and torey Smith are my top two guys. Smith would give them a very nice dpeth threat as well as some kickoff return ability which i'd like as well. Brooks Reed had a workout witht he Pack today and by all accounts in high on 'Kevin Greene's list.

I agree with you on the state of the team. Packers have so many different ways they could go with this pick. Depending on what happens i could see them trading down too. if guy's like Mallet and/or Lockler are available when the Pack are ont he board I could see teams making calls.

[The Big Chill]

There is a lot of talk about Houston liking Aldon Smith with the #11 pick. I'd be happy with that, he is a very high potential guy.

It is also looking like Cam Newton will go #1.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by cross16

I'm secretly hoping mark Ingram falls. Some have suggested it could happen, but I dn't think its likely. If it does i'd be thrilled.

I'd move OLB a little higher up the list. I like Zombo and Walden, but i think those guys are nothing but rotation guys. The biggest thing i fear with the loss of Jenkins is more teams are going to double up on Matthews. With a good outside rusher opposit him it could do wonders for their rush d. Hopefully Mike Neal can stay healthy.

Having said that Ingram and torey Smith are my top two guys. Smith would give them a very nice dpeth threat as well as some kickoff return ability which i'd like as well. Brooks Reed had a workout witht he Pack today and by all accounts in high on 'Kevin Greene's list.

I agree with you on the state of the team. Packers have so many different ways they could go with this pick. Depending on what happens i could see them trading down too. if guy's like Mallet and/or Lockler are available when the Pack are ont he board I could see teams making calls.

yeah I have to believe that Ingram is nothing but a pipe dream at this point unless TT trades up. Belichik loves the kid so he wont get past NE as one example.

As for OLB, I understand what you are saying and the loss of Jenkins could really hurt unless Neal does step up...and I think that McCarthy is counting on that exact thing. Walden and Zombo have earned a chance to return and compete for starting spots, and with the improved play of Hawk (finally) and Nick Barnett (if he is back) Desmond Bishop, Brandon Chillar and Brady Popinga, I think the LB core is pretty solid though they will draft one for sure.


i know the Packers don't run a true West Coast offense, but that is, IMO, because they haven't had that one RB who can catch the ball out of the backfield. Would love them to pick up a guy like that. One bad day in January when the wind is howling could sink another run unless they address the running/short game...of course a return of Jermichael Finley will help that as well.

And finally...they have to get another OL...Clifton isnt any younger, and Colledge is really iffy. Sitz, Bulaga and Wells are as solid as it gets but you can see a possible weakness there.

[Papi34]

Originally Posted by transplant99

yeah I have to believe that Ingram is nothing but a pipe dream at this point unless TT trades up. Belichik loves the kid so he wont get past NE as one example.

I really doubt BB takes an offensive player at 17 its to high and the defence needs the pick more... maybe an O-lineman but i cant see a RB that high especially after the season BJGE had

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by papi34

i really doubt bb takes an offensive player at 17 its to high and the defence needs the pick more... Maybe an o-lineman but i cant see a rb that high especially after the season bjge had

28

[Papi34]

You think he will drop that far?!

Id love him at 28 haha

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Papi34

You think he will drop that far?!

Id love him at 28 haha

i really dont know...the RB position just isnt the "elite" position it once was in the pass happy NFL...and looking at team needs in the 1st round there are very few that need to grab a guy like Ingram when they have other real obvious holes. Thats why he may fall...not because he isnt worthy of being picked higher, just because of his position on the field. Certainly nobody in the top half of the draft anyhow. Now if there is a team there that is just going to take the BPA no matter what, then he will be gone, other wise he may fall. Think Aaron Rogers as an example.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by transplant99

i really dont know...the RB position just isnt the "elite" position it once was in the pass happy NFL...and looking at team needs in the 1st round there are very few that need to grab a guy like Ingram when they have other real obvious holes. Thats why he may fall...not because he isnt worthy of being picked higher, just because of his position on the field. Certainly nobody in the top half of the draft anyhow. Now if there is a team there that is just going to take the BPA no matter what, then he will be gone, other wise he may fall. Think Aaron Rogers as an example.

I could see the dolphins taking him.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

I could see the dolphins taking him.

yeah I suppose its possible with an aging Ricky and Ronnie Brown not as effective as he once was. Again though they have other areas of need...particularly O line IMO as they gave up a lot of sacks last season.

Its kind of what makes the NFL draft so much fun...there is always a curve ball here and there that throws everything else behind it into chaos.

[PIMking]

Plus there are questions about his knee too

[Papi34]

Originally Posted by transplant99

i really dont know...the RB position just isnt the "elite" position it once was in the pass happy NFL...and looking at team needs in the 1st round there are very few that need to grab a guy like Ingram when they have other real obvious holes. Thats why he may fall...not because he isnt worthy of being picked higher, just because of his position on the field. Certainly nobody in the top half of the draft anyhow. Now if there is a team there that is just going to take the BPA no matter what, then he will be gone, other wise he may fall. Think Aaron Rogers as an example.

Good points here, i see alot of experts putting him at 15 to the dolphins but im inclined to think they go the route of free agency and target deangelo williams personally. I dont think RB is a big need for the pats but with the luxury of 3 picks in the top 33 it might be nice to give Brady another weapon and take some pressure off the pass game

[cross16]

Originally Posted by transplant99

yeah I have to believe that Ingram is nothing but a pipe dream at this point unless TT trades up. Belichik loves the kid so he wont get past NE as one example.

I think there is no chance he gets past NE at 28, if they keep the pick. I'll be a little suprised if NE keeps that pick becuase i think there are alot of teams at the top of the 2nd round that are going to want to move up to start the run of the 2nd tier of QBs (mallet, Dalton, Kapernick etc). So I don't think its a total pipe dream, but the odds arn't good I agree.
I think the Dolphins go OL the whole way. Sounds like there is pressure on sporano to adopt more of the passing game and not rely on the run so much. This is also a fairly deep running back class once you get to the 3rd/4th rounds.

Originally Posted by transplant99

As for OLB, I understand what you are saying and the loss of Jenkins could really hurt unless Neal does step up...and I think that McCarthy is counting on that exact thing. Walden and Zombo have earned a chance to return and compete for starting spots, and with the improved play of Hawk (finally) and Nick Barnett (if he is back) Desmond Bishop, Brandon Chillar and Brady Popinga, I think the LB core is pretty solid though they will draft one for sure.

Ya i'm find with the MLB but i'd like them to add an OLB. i don;'t mind zombo, but really outside the one Chicago game Walden didn't impress me. he is solid and good depth, especially consdiering where he came from, bugt as a long time starter i don't see it. I would expect someone in the later rounds to compete for the job as opposed to a first rounder althought Brooks Reed keeps getting mentioned with the Pack.

Originally Posted by transplant99

i know the Packers don't run a true West Coast offense, but that is, IMO, because they haven't had that one RB who can catch the ball out of the backfield. Would love them to pick up a guy like that. One bad day in January when the wind is howling could sink another run unless they address the running/short game...of course a return of Jermichael Finley will help that as well.

And finally...they have to get another OL...Clifton isnt any younger, and Colledge is really iffy. Sitz, Bulaga and Wells are as solid as it gets but you can see a possible weakness there.

I started off this draft really hoping that some of the Tackles would fall but they keep moving up the boards. I'd love if another bulaga happened and one of those first round tackles fell into their lap. I'm not a Colledge guy and i'm really hoping we've seen the last of him. Too many mistakes, and too poor in run blocking to continue.
I agree on the RB althoguht I do hold high hopes for Starks. Í really liked Jackson coming out of the backfield in the passing game but I don't see him staying with the team.

[transplant99]

Ya i'm find with the MLB but i'd like them to add an OLB. i don;'t mind zombo, but really outside the one Chicago game Walden didn't impress me. he is solid and good depth, especially consdiering where he came from, bugt as a long time starter i don't see it. I would expect someone in the later rounds to compete for the job as opposed to a first rounder althought Brooks Reed keeps getting mentioned with the Pack.

Yeah...one of Reed, Heyward or Clayborn should be there at 32 and that's where I would expect them to go....though I am really thinking that (depending on what occurs ahead of them) they may very well be a trade target for a team that sees one of the QB's sitting there they like. I expect Dalton and Mallett to still be there...and someone may get desperate to jump up.

gonna be fun IMO...McShay made a good point the other day in that he expects more trades than usual because there will be a rookie cap in the next CBA and that will allow clubs to trade up without the anchor of big money committed to "projects" and "maybes".

[Displaced Flames fan]

One of my favorite days of the year has arrived! Can't wait for tonight. Don't screw this up John!

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

One of my favorite days of the year has arrived! Can't wait for tonight. Don't screw this up John!

So...Miller, Dareus or Peterson?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So...Miller, Dareus or Peterson?

Dareus
Peterson
Miller

in that order are my preference, however I think if you take one of those 3 you're golden.

I'm hoping for a trade down to be honest.

I'm nervous about a Gabbert selection. Not what they need at this point.

[transplant99]

Yeah I dont know if trades are gonna happen or not....especially now that it looks like teams will start their "year" after yesterdays ruling from the courts.

I have a feeling that someone is gonna fall a long way just because there are so many guys at certain psoitions that teams dont need and/or they dont fit the scheme...3-4 defenses as an example. Nick Fairly is such a guy. Gonna be LOTS of lineman go tonight though, no doubt.

If i am Denver i am all over Von Miller.....though as you say any of the 3 are almost cant miss guys.

[Flickered Flame]

Sounds like Ingram has fallen off the Fins most wanted list. It would not surprise me if they draft Mike Pouncey at 15 tonight, if he is available.

[nik-]

There's talk that the Bills will be taking Dareus at three ... assuming Newton goes at one. I could live with this ... although being a Bills fan for 20 years now is starting to take its toll.