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[Displaced Flames fan]

Just watched the video, it's not even as bad as I expected. Every step of the way the teacher's actions are fuelling the fire. Why is she worried about what is on the bulletin board? Ridiculous and STUPID.

The worst part? By the time the cops get ready to cuff her she looks to be completely calm....but they still go ahead. Unbelievable.

[peter12]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Apr 23 2005, 06:50 PM
Just watched the video, it's not even as bad as I expected. Every step of the way the teacher's actions are fuelling the fire. Why is she worried about what is on the bulletin board? Ridiculous and STUPID.

The worst part? By the time the cops get ready to cuff her she looks to be completely calm....but they still go ahead. Unbelievable.

Do you have a link to the video?

[RougeUnderoos]

http://www.tampabays10.com/

[Incinerator]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Apr 24 2005, 12:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Apr 24 2005, 12:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CaramonLS@Apr 23 2005, 05:38 PM
Sorry I'm going to have to side with the teacher on this one, she couldn't touch the kid without a lawsuit coming her way, I'm sorry, but this is the US and she did the best option.

Theres obviously more that this kid did that what was just on the video. They CALLED THE COPS, its gotta be a pretty freaking serious tantrum to call the cops if the parent was only going to be gone for an hour.

Might as well scare the crap out of her by putting her in cuffs and causing her massive embarassment. I highly doubt the parents have any control over this child.

They should have tossed her in a holding cell for good measure.

Well it is TV so I can't imagine they cut out the "good parts" of the tantrum.

If you can't outsmart or calm down a steamed 5 year-old then you really shouldn't be a teacher or a cop.

Have you ever had to deal with a kid having a temper tantrum? Trying to restrain them tends to aggravate the situation. If you are worried about getting sued then let the desk take a couple shots and let the bulletin board take a beating until she calms down. If you are lucky, within 5 minutes you just might have her pinning the stuff back up on the bulletin board or huffing and puffing in the corner.

Might as well scare the crap out of her by putting her in cuffs and causing her massive embarassment.# I highly doubt the parents have any control over this child.

They should have tossed her in a holding cell for good measure.

Are you serious? She's 5 years old for crying out loud. In kindergarten.

Treating her like an adult criminal isn't going to help anyone. The scared straight option isn't going to work on someone who is just learning to read and doesn't even know what prison is. [/b][/quote]
I completely agree with everything said in this post, in my time I have often seen post-secondary students acting in more idiotic manners with a level of comprehension lower than a 5 year old when intoxicated. 80% of the time there was no need to break out the cuffs. If you speak slowly and effectively enough they will calm the fata down. The St Petersburg PD should really re-evaluate their training program if this is how they deal with 5 year olds. The purpose of law enforcement is to serve and protect, not to use excessive force to solve minor problems, the kid did not have any kind of weapons nor is she posing a significant risk to public safety, if THREE police officers cannot calm or restraint a 5 year old without handcuffing her then maybe these three of St. Pete's finest should look into another line of work.

[kermitology]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@Apr 23 2005, 01:02 PM
jesus what stupidity.

First of all that teacher could have prevented the whole thing, by I don't know asserting herself, the principle could have dragged the little brat to the office and made her burn off some energy in a more constructive manner.

The mother should have made arrangements to get the kid home, that kids got to be her first priority.

Social services and not the cops should have been called

Fire the teacher, fire the principle, suspend the cops without pay for a month, send the kid to the wood shed, teach the kids mother how to dicipline her kid.

Write a check for 5 bucks to the mother.

Problem solved.

You'd think it was that easy, I wonder if the teacher was worried about being sued by the parents for being too hard on the child.. stupid people sueing for the stupidest reasons..

[CaptainCrunch]

The school should actually be allowed to send a bill to the parents for damage to the room and time/cost that the teacher couldn't teach thus harming the education of students who wanted to learn.

Oh wait that would have bankrupted my parents by Jr High School.

[peter12]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Apr 23 2005, 09:51 PM
http://www.tampabays10.com/

Thanks

[metallicat]

Originally posted by Incinerator@Apr 23 2005, 12:23 AM
*sigh* a black eye for the entire law enforcement community

Is there a reason you decided to generalize like that?

[Resolute 14]

Honestly, there wasnt much the teacher or the school could do. They really can't touch the little brat without getting sued. Calling the police is about all they could do.

Whether the police should have cuffed her or not is in question, and quite honestly, I dont care that they did.

The police should bill the parents for their time, the school should make her pay for the damages, and the schoolboard should should have the kid expelled until the parents prove they have tought her to behave.

This entire debate has missed the entire problem: parents who are too lazy to raise their kids properly. Apparently the mom is now suing. I pray to god she loses. Maybe if she learns that she has some responsibility in teaching her kid how to behave in the first place, the kid will finally be taught it.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Apr 24 2005, 03:48 PM
Honestly, there wasnt much the teacher or the school could do. They really can't touch the little brat without getting sued. Calling the police is about all they could do.

Whether the police should have cuffed her or not is in question, and quite honestly, I dont care that they did.

The police should bill the parents for their time, the school should make her pay for the damages, and the schoolboard should should have the kid expelled until the parents prove they have tought her to behave.

This entire debate has missed the entire problem: parents who are too lazy to raise their kids properly. Apparently the mom is now suing. I pray to god she loses. Maybe if she learns that she has some responsibility in teaching her kid how to behave in the first place, the kid will finally be taught it.

Calling the police is all you can do if you are completely, hopelessly inept and don't know how to handle children at all. Clearly that is the case with the staff at that school.

Do they call the cops every if the kids get in a fight?

Do they call an ambulance if a kid wets his pants.

As for those dimwitted coppers, you did notice that they picked her up out of a chair and handcuffed her, didn't you? That seems reasonable to you?

[Resolute 14]

Seems to me that the kids parents should take a more active role in their kids upbringing.

A responsible parent wouldnt just put their kid on the back burner if they were called and told there was a problem.

Maybe they should have just told the mother they were throwing the kid out of school, locking the door and if she cared about her daughter, she would pick the kid up before someone else did.

Though hell, look what this incident is going to teach the mom. If she doesnt want to bother getting her kid, the police will bring the kid to her, and she gets to sue for being a lazy mother.

Nice.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Apr 24 2005, 04:22 PM
Seems to me that the kids parents should take a more active role in their kids upbringing.

A responsible parent wouldnt just put their kid on the back burner if they were called and told there was a problem.

Maybe they should have just told the mother they were throwing the kid out of school, locking the door and if she cared about her daughter, she would pick the kid up before someone else did.

Though hell, look what this incident is going to teach the mom. If she doesnt want to bother getting her kid, the police will bring the kid to her, and she gets to sue for being a lazy mother.

Nice.

I'm not excusing the mother's role in this, but we don't have any clue about her situation. Maybe she'd get fired for leaving in the middle of the day. Maybe she was an hour away. Or maybe she was lazy.

Any school that can't look after an unhappy kid for an hour during a school day isn't exactly doing it's job either.

Pulling a 5 year-old out of a chair and handcuffing her is stupid.

Putting her outside and letting the elements take care of her is, umm, a really cruel suggestion.

[Resolute 14]

Perhaps, but it would make the mother a little more interested in coming to pick up her daughter. Though it was stated as a deliberate extreme.

I'm curious why you are willing to consider the mother's situation, but not the schools.

Tell me, what did the school try to calm the girl down, and what should they have done?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Apr 24 2005, 05:13 PM
Perhaps, but it would make the mother a little more interested in coming to pick up her daughter. Though it was stated as a deliberate extreme.

I'm curious why you are willing to consider the mother's situation, but not the schools.

Tell me, what did the school try to calm the girl down, and what should they have done?

I've considered the school's situation. They are supposed to be able to handle small children without bringing in armed re-enforcement.

I don't know all the circumstances so I can't really say what they did to calm her down, but I know it didn't work. And because I don't know all the circumstances I can't really say what they should have done, but I know what they shouldn't have done, which is have her handcuffed and led away in a squad car.

Having been in similar situations myself on a few occasions, I know it's not rocket science to get them to calm down. Just remaining calm yourself is a good start. Getting a bunch of other adults involved and then phoning the cops is not remaining calm. Grabbing her arms and chasing her around isn't going to help.

From what I saw in that video -- if I was the teacher in the room I'd probably send the other kids out and then I'd sit down and watch. Unless the kid is on speed or something, that behaviour won't go on for long.

She was pouting in a chair by the time the cops got there and it looked like she was tantrumed-out already. They still cuffed her though.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Have kids Snakeeye?

Just curious. There are a lot of kids that age who are raised by responsible parents who act out.

When you see a kid acting like a brat, it's not automatic that they have lousy parents.

[Resolute 14]

Nor is it automatic that the school is incompetent.

The point is, if you get to make blanket assumptions about the school, I get to make blanket assumptions about the parent(s).

[Clarkey]

You can't physically restrain the kid.

But you also can't let the kid keeping destroying stuff.

What do you do?

[Table 5]

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[moon]

Originally posted by Table 5@Apr 25 2005, 10:08 AM
spank spank spank spank spank

Exactly!!

We need much more corporal punishment to keep those little punks in line.

[jonesy]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Apr 24 2005, 11:35 PM

From what I saw in that video -- if I was the teacher in the room I'd probably send the other kids out and then I'd sit down and watch. Unless the kid is on speed or something, that behaviour won't go on for long.

I think this is an unworkable method. If you clear out the class room and just 'watch' every time a kid goes snakey you haven't addressed the problem at all.

Kids are smart, they would see through you in a NY minute. If you have 25 kids in a class, you would get at least 5 trying that technique, you would probably end up clearing the classroom and 'watching' at least once per week.

The result is that none of the kids would get a good education, and what are the other kids doing in the hall while you idly watch a tantrum with a bemused Cosby style grin plastered on your face. I bet they aren't going to be angelic with no supervision in the hall or wherever you marshal them.

If you show a weakness, a child will push on that to test its boundary. That behaviour cannot be tolerated for the good of the class. (and yes, handcuffs are over the line)

In fact your method is a non solution and more like 'do nothing' and hope they stop soon and don't wreck too much stuff.