Thank you for posting something about religion, as there's something I wanted to mention on here but its hard without a Random Thoughts thread (why was it locked???) and its not new thread-worthy:
Was fighting a traffic ticket last week, and when I was in line, the guy in front of me was fighting one too, and I notice the lady behind the counter made him swear on the Bible that he was telling the truth. I was surprised they even still do that, given how secular and multicultural our society has become, especially in the past 15-20 years. I consider this board a good snapshot of our society as a whole, and if that's the case, there's more athiests and non-Christians than Christians out there. I wonder how many athiests and people of other religions they've had in there having to hold in a smirk while they swore on the Bible. They should probably change that, I don't think it has the same effect it once did.
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Thank you for posting something about religion, as there's something I wanted to mention on here but its hard without a Random Thoughts thread (why was it locked???) and its not new thread-worthy:
Was fighting a traffic ticket last week, and when I was in line, the guy in front of me was fighting one too, and I notice the lady behind the counter made him swear on the Bible that he was telling the truth. I was surprised they even still do that, given how secular and multicultural our society has become, especially in the past 15-20 years. I consider this board a good snapshot of our society as a whole, and if that's the case, there's more athiests and non-Christians than Christians out there. I wonder how many athiests and people of other religions they've had in there having to hold in a smirk while they swore on the Bible. They should probably change that, I don't think it has the same effect it once did.
You have the choice or swearing on the bible, or making a solemn affirmation.
You have the choice or swearing on the bible, or making a solemn affirmation.
Ah didn't realize that, I didn't hear her give him the option (maybe she didn't because it was just a traffic ticket). I'd still just get rid of it entirely, but good to know that its not forced on everybody. I kinda rolled my eyes when she pushed the Bible through that little crack in the glass.
Thank you for posting something about religion, as there's something I wanted to mention on here but its hard without a Random Thoughts thread (why was it locked???) and its not new thread-worthy:
Was fighting a traffic ticket last week, and when I was in line, the guy in front of me was fighting one too, and I notice the lady behind the counter made him swear on the Bible that he was telling the truth. I was surprised they even still do that, given how secular and multicultural our society has become, especially in the past 15-20 years. I consider this board a good snapshot of our society as a whole, and if that's the case, there's more athiests and non-Christians than Christians out there. I wonder how many athiests and people of other religions they've had in there having to hold in a smirk while they swore on the Bible. They should probably change that, I don't think it has the same effect it once did.
The 2001 census has Canadians as 77% Christian, 16% no religion (more info). The atheists here are just a vocal minority, probably with a bit of selection bias as well.
Canada is still a long way from being a secular country, with two of the biggest examples being God in the national anthem, and the constitutional rights to a Catholic or Protestant education, but not to a secular one.
The 2001 census has Canadians as 77% Christian, 16% no religion (more info). The atheists here are just a vocal minority, probably with a bit of selection bias as well.
Canada is still a long way from being a secular country, with two of the biggest examples being God in the national anthem, and the constitutional rights to a Catholic or Protestant education, but not to a secular one.
But only something like 20% of Canadian go to church on a regular basis. I don't like how many people tend to make things so black and white - you're either living a secular lifestyle, or you're religious.
For example, if you have 100 cups and 77 are 20% filled with sand (religious values), and 80% filled with snow (secular values), you still have way more snow than sand. I think it would still be fair to say the society as a whole was more secular than religon based.
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The 2001 census has Canadians as 77% Christian, 16% no religion (more info). The atheists here are just a vocal minority, probably with a bit of selection bias as well.
Canada is still a long way from being a secular country, with two of the biggest examples being God in the national anthem, and the constitutional rights to a Catholic or Protestant education, but not to a secular one.
I disagree. Such statistics are misleading, as many people identify as religious, when they are not religious at all.
The team took census data stretching back as far as a century from countries in which the census queried religious affiliation: Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland
"In a large number of modern secular democracies, there's been a trend that folk are identifying themselves as non-affiliated with religion; in the Netherlands the number was 40%, and the highest we saw was in the Czech Republic, where the number was 60%."
The British Humanist Association (BHA), which commissioned the poll, said people often identified themselves as religious for cultural reasons.
While 61% of the poll's respondents said they did belong to a religion, 65% of those surveyed answered "no" to the further question: "Are you religious?"
The BHA has complained the wording of the optional census question about religion encourages people to wrongly identify themselves as believers.
In the last census in 2001, 72% of people were classed as Christians - a figure which is much higher than other surveys.
The BHA believes people might tick "yes" to the census question on religion for reasons of cultural identity.
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Since I know the vast majority of this board is not religious and I would say most are anti-religious - what I am about to type assumes you have read the bible and have some sort of belief in what it indicates.
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Its very clear in the bible that when you die there are 2 doors that are available based on you being saved or not (the term being saved has many different meanings to different religions - in the bible you being saved (while like many things isnt 100% clear) seems like its predetermined before birth) and means that you are "born again" - basically meaning that you have seen through your secular life and see your self as a sinner and know look at life through one of religious conviction and morale obligation. In the door that isnt Hell, less than 1% of people will be admitted. Its believed that to become born again you must have your "John the Baptist" moment.
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Man, I hate how people here use the word religious. You can be a Christian/believer and not be religious. I know lots of people who believe in God but are not religious.
And now way is this site an accurate representation of Canadian society. The number of non-believers is far higher here than across our country.
I think that there are probably people in small numbers who's opinions on an internet hockey board are far different then their opinions in everyday life.
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From my readings into ancient religion and theology, I believe one of the places usually translated to interpreted as hades/hell in modern Christianity is called Sheol in the Jewish Torah (basically the old testament). In the context of the time and language, this didn't even mean Hell as a supernatural place of damnation but a place where all dead go when they die no matter what your status or affiliation or what you did in your life. There was no afterlife. You just died - ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Eternal punishment does not exist in the Hebrew Bible. It's probably a Christian construction to counterpoint the fact that for eternal life to mean something there must be an opposite, eternal death which people need to fear and therefore conform.
I'd like to see what Textcritic knows about that point.
Working 5 days a week, pollution, war, murders and violence and fat chicks in spandax.
We're all already dead and we're spending an eternity here.
When we die, our punishment ends and there's nothing else.
Not to mention the Canucks have the best record in the NHL and could be poised to actually compete for a stanley cup If that isn't hell, I don't know what is
In the bible Jesus says that heaven is within you so I guess hell is too. If it is within us, heaven can be found here and now if we just know how to follow Socrate's saying of 'know thyself' we can find it.
What happens after we die, since no one has come back from death, who knows but I hope it's cool.
If that isn't hell, I don't know what is
